And so with both local recordings having begun, why don't we go ahead and play some of that intro music, which is just great Developed by a very talented man by the name of Scotty Jamchem and we like to start the real politics off this way Just really good just so good So Welcome to surreal politics This uh 53rd episode of stage one title this dead air on its uh April 8th 2024 airing of the show and it's not because I intend to leave you with a bunch of dead air as a matter of fact I would just sell you hey we're not gonna do this tonight or we're gonna air something else But it's because George Soros has been buying up radio stations you might have heard about this story I'm not the first person to talk about it I read a pretty interesting piece in semifor about this today Which went into a little bit more detail of it than I was previously aware of And I i'm gonna read some of that piece to you today. I was intending to drop a more detailed thoughts on this But I confess was a little bit distracted today. I you've heard me Air a couple of times recently these conversations. I've had with people on the GPS based all mail dating app called grinder and I Got caught up in one of these conversations went longer than expected today. It went on for over three hours Um, and I think it was pretty interesting. I talked to a guy Who identifies a cross-dresser and he had a pretty interesting story to tell one of the things that you know is sort of become uh One of the things that made me think that this would be interesting content is that The attitudes amongst the people on that app or not would you expect them to be if you watch things like MSNBC If you watched left wing media you'd think that they were all a bunch of raving left wing fanatics who are on board with the whole like You know transgender kids stuff and the bathrooms and everything else like that And that's actually not what it turns out to be and I had some suspicion of this And those suspicions have been very handling confirmed And the conversation I had today I think was even more interesting because the conversation went on for a little bit over an hour and a half And when I do these things I try very hard to make them not On I try very hard not to make them unpleasant for the for the interview subject I don't want to get a reputation as a guy who's going on their own breaking people's chops as a matter of fact I want to have a conversation and I want the conversation to go smoothly and I want them to walk away feeling good about the interview And so when I do these things I I I'm still experimenting with it of course. They've only done we've only aired three of them I've had a lot of different conversations that were not recorded mostly text But I've been trying to sort of gauge you know Drop a little bit of an ideological hint here and there and see how they respond to it and not make it a political argument I want to allow them to open up And the conversation I had today ended without us really getting into very Shall we say politically sensitive subject matter And after we got off the air of the guy contact well I contacted him to say hey, thanks I really appreciated your time today, you know a little bit of post interview wrap up And he's like you know There's a couple of things that you said to me during the course of that that I kind of I think I didn't want to get too political on you He says to me And I tell him hey, you know, you want to get political we could get political I'm all for it man. I don't want to make you uncomfortable. You want to get political? I'll call you back right now And we ended up talking for like another hour and a half And I'm just going to play for you a little sample of that it's under 10 minutes long And I think it's pretty interesting and then we'll go into this stuff about George soros buying up the radio stations The response The amount of responses that I get is overwhelmingly Greater and be dressing up as a woman. I'm sorry. I told you this was under 10 minutes It's about 12 minutes is actually what what I've got here You get a lot more attention from from then on the app when you're when you're doing the crosshairs of the thing Yes, and that could be from There's there's three groups there that I've noticed One is just your standard top because it's like Almost maybe a you know like your dumb top like uh Yeah, you're You know some people like to be verbally degraded You know, so it's like yes that other sense of Dominant power over them like you know, you're not even you can't even be a man You have to be know the snap and to like embarrass them in the sense Kind of can't think of now some a lot are also They call by by curious men Men are married Wow these men are straight Lately men identify the themselves identify as straight or married or curious or I can't tell you how many guys I've had hit up well, you know um I am I've always kind of been curious. I've never done anything with a man before but you know You know, you just you look good and I just you know there's that draw And it's like that easy Stepby's don't form and then there's the um There's a group of men that uh like I've even asked them I was like so are you you know How do you identify yourself like what's your do Like are you by are you gay? You know, it's kind of usually my go-to-ramp sorry. I try not to over-hop skate thing They go no, I like trans or like either There's a large group of people that like trans or just the whole idea of Pretty girls but with boys and adamates And I think that Well, let me let me ask you about this do you think that it's that they are actually into pretty girls with boys and adamie or do you think it's that they're into women and Having that and finding that very difficult and are going where they can expect lower standards That could be the case they could it could be because Uh, well, I think you're I'll add to this I think that you know I've noticed myself that a lot of people say that they are Therefore fem only or they will take mtf or ftm right and so they're basically trying to emulate female companionship They're like I will take the actual vagina though it is covered in hair and taking testosterone or I will take the The man who's dressing up like a woman. It's I'm trying to approximate the benefits of feminine companionship in a world where male female relationships Have become so strange that I don't know what to do anymore Right um, I was actually just recently talking with a guy who he want to like a girlfriend type experience from me Because he's been with us girl Um, uh, I don't know if he's ever been with a man before but if it has it was very limited is what I'm getting right Um His partner who he he loves and you know that is wife but um long-term partner and uh she's regular normal woman but just has no They don't have any intimacy they don't have any they she's got no sex strife And no That that passion is just it's just non-existent in their relationship and he's like that's what he's wanting and It's Convenient it's convenient for him to Get that as to get those emotions that have that experience as a you know as a human because we all crave that We all want to be you know loved and after my cuddle snuggled you know had those intimate moments with but You know, so he's I feel he's emulating that experience with the most convenient option for him Right without spring from from that now That could be a lot of reasons maybe it's a uh, it's like a buffer for you know like hey, maybe this is maybe I do really like guys But because you know because of my upbringing and my family um I feel better about going with the guy that looks like a girl because It just it doesn't feel so um like you Breaking down Like he's going against what he was taught as right and wrong from his family upbringing for something for that major I'm skeptical of that one. I'll just I'll just share with you I know if that's it like let me just make it well comfort him It's like oh, I know I'm supposed to be with girls because that's what everybody tells me that I'm supposed I'm a boy so I'm supposed to be with the girl But I really like boys. So this is my um in between Because I here's my skepticism of it is that There's an understanding that if they were to bring around their cross-dresser girlfriend That this would meet at equal or greater approbation from the people whose judgment he supposedly fears right? It's actually yeah, it actually doesn't do that. It's hits his own a pro it's his own sensation of you know Am I am I in feminine companionship or not right? Well Personally, I now see I don't think it's about Anyone on the outside world knowing that okay. Okay. I think it's about I think it's an internal struggle in his own Like he all right that makes sense and now he reconciles that to his own self All right, that makes a lot sense that does I think so but the other one is I'm there No, I think I think I think that makes a lot of sense. It's not it's not the outside judgment It's their own like am I doing the thing that I mean to do or am I doing something that you know strays from my own And I don't have to deal to about it. You know that's so you know It's just like addicts, you know, they make their own They have their own rationale for you know, they know what's right. They know it's wrong You know, but we're gonna figure out a way to make it Okay in our own head now. I'm just gonna give a quick content warning here before I continue with this with this clip for the next Five and a half minutes. I have cut out all the s's and f's there are References to genitals in the next five minutes of this recording. What would you would you say that you notice some disparity in There oh It's what it this way are some more interested in your cock than others and does that line up with any other pattern of behavior Sometimes but that's the luster that's that's more of the exception of the norm um most guys If I am dressed up I Handful I mean if I were to throw an arbitrary percentage of I'd say maybe 5 to 10 percent are Interested on just like you know I want to give you head while you're dressed up or something You know that is that otherwise they're like yeah, I don't even care That's that's where my perception of it comes from so like what they're what they're interested in because if they're If they're actually drawn to the male thing then that's probably where they'd be drawn right if they're if they're Basically just trying to like they're trying to have a feminine personality take care of their cocked and you know Then then they're essentially trying to they're essentially trying to emulate the benefits of female companionship in that environment I know that there are other people who are like yeah, what I want to do is I want to get top by a tranny or something like that And that's a completely different category of action, I think yeah, yeah, I agree yeah It's fascinating and so you would say maybe five ten percent of the people that you come into contact with are interested in your dick and the rest of them are just like no I want to fuck you like a woman yeah And that's my thing and do you think that um I Would you say that uh, I think you already told me this but just What what percentage of the people that you're coming into contact with in the female persona are are identifying to you as gay versus identifying you or gay or bi or versus they they tell you that they're straight men Think about that for just a moment um Because some Not all encounters I necessarily ask um You know, I'm not I'm not trying to Do a psych profile on every single person that makes perfect sense. I mean um, however It does come up often so Hmm Yeah, there's so many just went off too It's You know I think to give you a fair and honest answer on that I'd have to Think about that moving forward. Thank you. Let me let me ask you this It what what portion do you think that you could readily identify as because I see like on on grinder I noticed that there's a lot of things that they are STR eight Is dash whatever it is that they're trying to do right? Yeah, that they're saying they're they're identifying themselves Outwardly in the headline of the profiler in the bio that they're saying they're straight man who are for whatever reason Trying to use man for sex, you know honestly straight. Yeah, um, yeah, I think that's Yeah, I think you're gonna on to it there Just because they're saying they're straight if you're straight you're not gonna be off right there Well, yeah, I'm actually not entirely certain of that right? So like you know, there's guys who there's guys You know not to the not to the amount That I see yeah, well, I think that that's probably fair to But you know, there's there's a you know in in prison life for example Okay, there's guys who are in prison and they'll engage in homosexual behavior while they're in prison And then and then they'll come out and they do not return to it It's simply situational homosexuality for the sake of a lack of females and it seems to me I witness a great deal of men complaining about sexual access to women that they for whatever reason whether Whatever they tend to blame it on I try to tend to encourage them to you know try to work on themselves instead of blaming the women But whatever the case may be they find it impossible or very difficult to obtain Satisfaction for women and I think that that my suspicion is and I can't say what that certainty is that They're basically a lot of these guys who are on their purporting to be straight are basically Responding to the same incentives as men in prison that they don't have access to women There's women all over the place, but they don't have access to them and they have needs so they're going to have their needs met To be honest I'm there because that's a whole yeah Okay Yeah, uh, this is something that you probably haven't thought about a lot. I'm thinking and it's fine with me Well or do have you well You yes, no because I The culture of women has It has changed and shifted a lot. Yeah, like I'm talking just in the hetero community and just the dating world and I mean Okay, I said I was very The last time before I was married I went on an actual actual date I mean Early to you know early 2000s And now here I am is you know 2022 or whatever the hell year it was 2021 but I got divorced it's like I went back out there and I was like oh Oh Going on And so that's a sample of you know what I'm aiming for you know, I think that The first of these calls that I aired I aired on a serial politics member show and I was very very cautious I was decidedly less cautious in the second and third call which I aired on a recent daring of uh Well a monday airing of radical agenda because it was way too spicy for serial politics um This one is also way too spicy for this for this branding But when I I mentioned you know on a recent airing of the radical agenda that basically you know That's not the branding of the radical agenda. Go air me talking to homosexuals on dating app is definitely not the radical agenda right the radical agenda is Very much like surreal politics, but with preventative essentially that I do an opening monologue and then I read some news and I take some calls right that's not the radical agenda But I want to do those calls and it's not just because it is in some part because of the the the dearth of new callers into the shows But it's also because I think that you know this provides opportunities to discuss things I don't think that we'd have another opportunity to discuss this conversation was very interesting and and that portion of the call that I just aired is part of a longer conversation about You know what's going on that's causing an increased prevalence in homosexual behavior and people identifying as LGBTQ One of the things that I mentioned on that call and and on the prior ones is this Gallup poll that said that You know something like 30% of Gen Z women are identifying as LGBTQ And that's just completely off the charts crazy. I mean it's not when you when you look at it That's not because they're having same sex relationships. It's they're responding to some kind of cultural incentive That's telling them that that's an appropriate thing to do But it is a real phenomenon that the behavior is actually increasing And I do think that some portion of this is a consequence of what we've talked about in other episodes largely as a consequence of a another Right wing political personality, let's say Who's been doing a great deal of complaining about women and I'm like, you know I'm like, hey, you know stop whining about this and then I hear from audience members who will like, hey, you know, this is a legitimate complaint And then I see this phenomenon go on whether you know, there's guys who are on the dating app who are on the gay dating app saying that they're straight and I'm like, well, what's going on? And that's an interesting subject to discuss and you know, there's a there's a variety of theories that go on about that And these are some people who are at a unique In a unique position to talk about that and what you see when you start talking to them is not what you would expect to see And based on the prevailing narratives about these things I refer to the the LGBT lobby as the rainbow mafia And I say look I don't think that these people are actually looking out for the interest of the people that they claim to be looking out for I've got a story one of the stories that I probably read tonight is There's a confrontation between lesbians and trans activists at some kind of march, you know And lesbians are very vocal about this some of them that they're like, hey, you know like you're erasing women This is a form of conversion therapy, you know, there's a lot of different ideas that go on about this Saying no, you have you have male genitalia, you're not a lesbian You don't get to come to lesbian things and go to women's spaces. You're a threat to our safety get out of here And and then the LGBT lobby the people who they thought were their advocates they turn around and they attack them, you know And those people have really they're really mad about it and they have every right to be by the way And you might turn around and say like oh well, that's what you get, you know and all right, there's something to that I Talked to these folks and I I let these things go on as long as they want to let them go on and I let them get comfortable with me You know in this case like I said I heard we'd hung up the phone And he's like you know what I've got more to say and he chimes in on a variety of subject matters The second portion of the conversation actually started with him talking about the the the the puberty blockers and the transgender kids stuff And he and he opened up about that and he was very concerned. He's a father. He's got two kids, you know He was married for over a decade. He got divorced and you know went into this lifestyle that you know a lot of people Would be appropriately skeptical of But he doesn't think it's a good thing for his you know for his single digit aged child to be indoctrinated with with gender ideology And who's gonna talk to them about that who's going to carry that message to people Well, not the rainbow mafia. I'll tell you that right now not MSNBC not CNN and none of these left wing media outlets Because they're they're like no you're either with us or against us, you know You're you're we're taking we're taking this to the next level pal And if you're not with us then you know you're a bigot. You're a Nazi as a matter of fact And those people want to be heard and they thank me for that afterwards They're really grateful for it And so I think those conversations are going to be pretty interesting But they're not the radical agenda and they're not surreal politics It's a completely different thing and so it's going to be branded differently. I'm still figuring that part out But it's gonna be a lot of it's gonna be eye opening. I'm very confident, you know There's not a whole lot of discussion about what causes this behavior, you know and I think I have some pretty complex theories on it that are not particularly Well-formed. I'm still figuring them out myself, you know, I'm trying to understand something as I do this, you know I think one of the most one of the most intriguing backs about it is the realization that the the female to male transgender community within that demographic there's Women who were lesbians who did this for whatever reason and then after they start taking testosterone they They start to develop a sexual appetite for male attention Now You can look at that a few ways One of them is you know, they're unchangeably homosexual and if you start exposing them to male hormones Then the exposure to male hormones makes them want same sex contact with males another Is that homosexuality is a treatable condition And oh boy you say homosexuality is a treatable condition You're gonna get a lot of trouble with a lot of people right you you're gonna you're gonna be hit hey wait You're just you're saying gay people are sick Well, I'm actually saying that you know in this case it sort of helps to be a darwinist as a matter of fact if you if you lack the drive to reproduce Then as a darwinist I can only view that as an affliction and if you were in any other situation like that Then you would go to a doctor and you would say hey doctor You know, I can't get an erection in the presence of a woman. I can't I've been trying to impregnate my wife. We're making love every night We're not having a we're not conceiving and in either of those cases the highest paid and most capable people of our species Will rush to the assistance of that couple and try to help them conceive They'll give them medications. They'll surgically intervene if they have to they'll do anything it takes to help that couple have a child If the same man goes with the same penis to the same doctor and says Doc this penis will only get a wreck for men the doctor will congratulate him on his modernity And if he dares to demand treatment he will be refused that treatment And he'll be scolded for his sinful thinking he'll be sent to a therapist who will demand generous payment from him or the taxpayer He doesn't care where it comes from To tell him that it's great What he's involved in And that he just needs to get over it But if you talk to these people long enough a lot of them will tell you you know that if they could change it they would And the people who prevent them from having access to those options are not looking out for them It's not It's it's a malicious thing to do to them forget about what they're doing to civilization The people that they claim to be advocating for they're hurting them. They're denying the medical treatment And I'm offended by that I honestly am Charning around and calling this pride associating it with the rainbow saying that this is the same thing as any heterosexual relationship It's not just an attack on the civilization though it is that It's an attack on the people you claim to be advocating for and it's really if it's really sick And that's one of the things that I realized most in the course of these conversations that happened before I started recording them And I'm really looking forward to exploring that subject matter And so I encourage you to help me do that You You hear me say often you know the various ways that you could support this production give send go.com slash spm cash app edgy chris surreal politics.com slash donate will get you all my crypto keys 497 hook set road chris for catwalk or surreal politics media LLC 497 hook set road unit 312 Manchester, New Hampshire, oh 3104 I need to be able to devote my time to My work, okay. I tried to do the radical agenda. I I forfeit a lot of opportunities to do that show and to try to make it as entertaining as possible It's not working. It's over. I can't do it anymore. So we're gonna conclude it pretty soon And there's a sadness to that and maybe maybe it'll come back someday We're concluding stage six is no plans for stage seven that doesn't mean there won't be one But for now it just doesn't pay and that's why it's going away So if you want me to continue to produce media, I need to get paid, okay? We're losing the radical agenda because I haven't been paid to do it All right now there's some people have paid plenty of money and I feel bad to those people because You know, I feel like I owe them something honestly But it's not working, you know, and so if you want if you think that What I'm talking about with this is worthwhile. You think surreal politics is worthwhile Then I'll encourage you to pay for it because you know, we'll lose the whole thing. I'm just gonna have to go Back into it or cut and grass or something and then I won't be able to do this stuff So keep that in mind William 276881433 you like to be on the program. We'll get into the George Soros stuff But we got people in the phones for a change caller your own surreal politics. What can I do for your friend? Hey, Chris. I'm wondering if you've been paying attention to the market lately mainly the gold price Crypto price and you also going up on the Treasury bonds as well. I Have been I keep an eye on crypto Gold I saw recently reached I want to say it reached a new record. Is that correct? Oh Yeah, it's like almost $2,400 wow It's crazy Yeah, I don't keep too close an eye on gold. I was keep it you know A lot of things change about my life when I stopped watching the news channel I really like I would keep in a closer eye on the stock market when I had Fox news on the background all the time I haven't had that going on for a few months So I pay I'm not as closely tuned into it when there's some kind of major swing I'll see the headlines about that in the course of my regular news consumption But unless there's something extraordinary happens. I don't catch it So I remember I would watch some back my libertarian days Peter ship you talked about this all the time a collector the dollar a hyperinflation But I think what he got wrong is that These countries weren't abandoning the dollar since the rest of the world reserve currency But I think things have changed though. We have bricks and they're coming out with an alternative system Alternative to the Swiss system and we actually are seeing it where countries are slowly Moving away from the dollar. It's not gonna happen overnight because countries have debt that are denominated in dollars That they will still gonna be having for like decades to come You'll see slowly moving out and I think it's gonna finally become true But Peter ship was talking about Well, you know, I think that the collapse of the dollar is is one of those, you know Those it's one of those libertarian You know gold bug fetish is that tends not to come to fruition right and part of that is because Well, they're absolutely correct that you know this catastrophic event is going to occur But they're not you know, they're acting as if they Their acting as if the central planners are not gonna have some means by which to kick the can down the road and every time The correct every time something is done There's some kind of intervention in the market the libertarian say oh, they're just kicking the can down the road And they're just like yeah, well, we're just we're putting off the destruction of the dollar indefinitely is essentially what they're attempting to do Can they continue to do that forever? Well, you know that depends entirely upon the willingness of foreign central banks to hold dollars and As the United States abuses that for the purposes of foreign policy We see that I think most notably right now with the whole thing with Russia You know that becomes a less and less likely prospect truth be told right if if they're gonna cut Russia out of the dollar That's the world's largest country by landmass Well, you know about you know you're starting to get to a point where you're building up a wall around yourself not other people And so if you have Russia and China this side hey guys You know the America is abusing their exorbitant privilege We're not going to put up with that anymore. Here's the alternative to the dollar all it takes is you know It takes it doesn't require the entire world to switch out of that It actually happens very rapidly the second that there's a viable alternative to it Well now now the next time they try to kick the can down the road They'll be incapable of doing that and I think that you're right that then you're gonna see that The dollar has a lot less utility subsequent to that Yeah, I agree with them, but I just don't agree with how fast it will happen. It's just gonna be a slow Thing because you're gonna slowly We've away from a dollar into other currencies and we see what's going on with um taking place with Israel All those country Muslim countries are poor cotton American products To poor cotton Pepsi Coca-Cola and it's done in a significant amount that These poor reasons are actually taking a hit. So I think All just doing on we're gonna see much worse economic Conditions going on to be pretty bad recess and done on Well, you know simply because of America's share of politics We just it's no other countries. Yeah, I think you know the the question of the inflation and the question of the recession Separate ones so they they may intertwine you know It's just a question of it's a question of the it's a question of the utility of the dollar elsewhere Okay, if the foreign central banks are going to store them because that's the best way to store wealth Then then the United States can basically continue to inflate its currency without a great deal of expense being associated with that as soon as that Is less so the case? It's like I think that that's a situation that you know I think that that actually probably happens pretty quickly all the people who are holding the dollars are going to try to avoid a circumstance where the Where the resource they're holding loses all of its value overnight You know if you have a if you're in a Chinese central bank and you're holding a trillion US dollars or something to that effect You know, it's not your interest for the dollar to collapse in the United States has leveraged that reality to their geopolitical advantage You know, but once they start viewing this as existential as Russia has to Then you know, it's like whatever you're holding in the dollars if or if you realize that oh my god My dollar holdings will just be seized by the United States the next time some president disagrees with something I do domestically You know, you know once the incentive for you know once the incentive for them to hold those dollars declines it it happens I think very very rapidly Another topic I want to bring up real quick so I know a lot of people in this Distance spirit podcast Network over you want to call it Eastern pan as an example for like oh this country takes and zero immigrants Did you see recently the radically changed how many people would are allowing in foreign workers they actually Double did from 400,000 to 800,000 a year. I saw no no all Watson's channel in YouTube. John Lewis covering it Okay So I'm sorry, so you're saying that Japan has doubled the amount of immigrants. They're allowing into the country Yeah, and it's just gonna funny. I remember years ago people would love to use Japan as an example like oh We want to have an immigration program like Japan, but it if you look at what's going on It looks like Japan is having an immigration system that's more closely aligned to the West I think that's mostly because it's an occupied country occupied by buddy American military Well, I'm not sure that that's the case. I mean, I don't know all of what's going on in Japan But I mean they're reaching demographic problems as a consequence of you know low birth rates now I'm not aware of anything that the United States military occupation is doing to cause that I might just be unaware of that that influence But that's why they're doing is it's it's they they actually have real demographic problems in Japan That's stem from low birth rates and they're trying to fix that problem with immigration now I think that and I could be wrong It something tells me that the Japanese are not Increasing their immigration just from any old country It doesn't it doesn't strike me as very likely that the Japanese government is going out of their way to set up diversity Lotteries in Ghana, right? I imagine that the Japanese government is probably a little bit more selective about who they allow into their country than the United States is or do you have any information about that? Yeah on the website called migration research institute It goes over like migration policies for different countries and To grand only has agreements with certain countries like India Vietnam Ethiopriost only black African country, but yeah, they're not just like anybody in Ukraine. It's another country They're letting in people Ukrainians. Yeah But you right it's only certain countries do not there's right anybody in right and so I mean, you know Whether or not we want to emulate Japan in every in all way, you know I don't think that we do But you know, it seems it to me that the Japanese government is at least more interested in the well-being of its citizens than that of the United States And so when you're looking at you know You know immigration policy on a spectrum from bad to worst, you know Is Japan is not In Japan is not opening up their borders and subsidizing an invasion there at least saying like okay, you know 800,000 now I mean, I don't know exactly what the population of Japan is I understand that 800,000 people is a bigger deal in Japan that it is in the United States um But you know, it's it's still uh it's still it's still a controlled Situation whereas it is absolutely, you know to the extent it's controlled here It's to spiral it out of control. It's an intentional, you know It's obvious what they're doing is Designing to destroy the country whereas I think in Japan they've held off on you know Completely opening things up because they understand that that will destroy the country But the other things that they've done in terms of family policy in terms of economic policy have reduced birth rates And they and they're like well, you know, if we don't have human beings then then you know the ethnic Composition of those human beings is really going to be besides the point And so they're they're starting to deal with that in that way and that's unfortunate You know, they should probably be you know trying to focus on you know more family oriented policy things and to increase birth rates But it seems to me that you know that there's there's significant pressures on that you know domestically Not only from you know foreign sources, but you know domestically trying to have a government policy that you know gets women to abble or children It will meet a lot of resistance from the domestic population likely Well, that's all I have for you today Appreciate great call buddy. I appreciate it. Thank you very much 2176881433 like to be on the program and I'm more you're told the less I have to So please do give us a call call or you're on surreal politics. What can I do for you today friend? And you got to listen to the show on the radio on the on the phone not on the radio when you listen to radio when you're calling into a radio show Okay, there you go. All right. This is Dave. Hey Dave. What's going on? I'm listening to the ball I'm doing multi-tasking here mr. Cantwell appreciate it Okay, so I listen to your thing about you're offended for these poor People who go in that they feel like insecure in their sexuality They want to be like I guess like maybe we'll go for the direction of straight, but they're actually feeling homo erotic feelings for another man I think I think I misunderstood what I feel bad about what I what I what I express my outrage over is that there's no treatment for them Okay, and I don't believe that it's not my understanding that there's a whole lot of them who are seeking treatment But that's the cultural situation that we find ourselves in right that you know during the Obama administration He came out. I forget exactly what the I don't have the precise details I'll talk about this in more detail on a future broadcast where you know during the Obama administration He had essentially banned what was called conversion therapy, okay? And like if From what I do understand about the history of her at least it's as it's been relayed to me in my conversations with gay men Is that they talk about like oh like you know to homosexuality used to be treated with lobotomies You want to return to that and I'm like now I don't think cutting people's brains out as a good way to fix their sexual behaviors No matter fact, but you know lobotomies were used for a lot of things and that was not a particularly sound policy fine We're you know medical advancements allow them to occur what I'm pissed off about is that we actually don't have that going on right when you hear when I When I mentioned the thing about like the female to male transgender When they're when they're exposed to male hormones and they start having a sexual appetite for men First of all, this is not explained to teenagers when they're being encouraged to go on those hormones Okay, which is a crime all right and and and that is a that piece of information is usually relevant It's like you know to say that hormones influence sexual behavior and desire is is too obvious to need stating Okay, but the idea but we say Our medical community will not address that reality in the context of trying to help homosexuals with their with their urges Because they because it's because it's politically incorrect to suggest that there's anything wrong with those urges Well, since they are being shut out of reproduction and and they are going to fail Darwin's test with 100% certainty if those urges are not acted upon It it is absolutely something that warrants medical intervention and there's to the best of my knowledge No modern research is being done on that subject and I think that's a terribly sick thing Yeah, I was good man. Say something. Yeah, by all means do okay So What I was gonna say and by the way I there isn't one more thing or confusion by I need to wait a little later But just you said female to male hormone And then they have attraction to men shouldn't be the other way around I'm saying that they are they are females They're females who as a consequence of Joining this transgender program. They're being given testosterone and when they're given testosterone Then they start having sexual appetite for males and they didn't have that before Shouldn't they have it for females if they're getting testosterone Well, I just can see backwards to me you think getting male hormone. They should start wanting females You might think that but but they're a but yeah, well, you know you there they are there's a concept known as the pharmacological paradox okay, so for example now I actually don't agree with a lot of the things that we're doing with amphetamines in our society But for example, they'll give like methylphenidate to kids It's a known as riddlein for something called attention deficit hyperactivity disorder You you take a hyperactive kid and you're giving him amphetamines and this is supposed to calm down his hyperactivity And that is referred to as a pharmacological paradox now I'm I'm deeply deeply skeptical of that practice But I just use it because that's one of the more prominent examples of what I'm talking about if you're a if you expose a woman To testosterone and then and then she's you know she reacts to that It's normal for them to react to that with like intense sexual urges right it drives up their sex drives a general matter But in the case of these in the case of these women who are lesbians their whole lives they start having like Like vivid dreams of being raped by men and enjoying it is one of the examples okay So like and they don't know how to react to that like it blows their mind. They're very uncomfortable with it And you know they end up on the they end up on grinder looking for men And they're saying I'm a gay man and they're like and the gay men are like you're out of your mind You're on grinder with a vagina. You're a woman shut up, you know and so I got it and so my comment was going back to my original Reason for calling in is that really I think we like even as like white people generally and for you could say for all people If you want to keep everybody together But I'm saying for white people the way things are going Like we should have our own religion and break off from all these people and and I feel You know those people can do what they want like you're talking about But I don't really like all those injections and and all that people should we should go we should have areas where People can go and have like just normal like well, sorry traditional families from the past And we could break away completely from this whole system that is forcing this on us That's what I wanted to comment today and then we won't have as many of these issues and the people that want to do that Good luck to them and God loved them too, but you know They're dragging us down a bit I think well I would certainly say that all of these so-called alternative lifestyles are definitely dragging the society down Okay, and that was actually discussed with some at some length with the gentleman I spoke to this afternoon Is that like you know what you have is this scenario where people have tried to embrace this pluralistic vision of a society and that turns out to be You know that turns out to be a very ephemeral thing. It actually doesn't exist What what happens is your culture can either protect itself or it cannot protect itself And if it does not protect itself then it will be replaced by a foreign culture And so what we have now is not you know It's it the people talk about this you know the rainbow and diversity and all this nonsense. It's not that It is a it is a rather it is a rather strict And a and a very coercive culture that is actually demanding something that is hostile and disgusting right and so like You're absolutely correct in that you know These things are dragging us down. We're being we're being degraded by um by this by this phenomenon of the alternative lifestyles saying and that you know whether or not it's Religion that you know brings it back You know, I think that there's there's room for legitimate debate about that subject amongst you know amongst decent people say But I was just saying to a friend of mine who's sort of in his little inner circle group sort of thing of mine that You know, I don't I'm not a religious guy like but I will go to church every Sunday and go through the motions You know if if they if they can pull it off okay like I'm perfectly fine with that that that is much better than cow-towing to the gods of diversity I'll say and so like you know, but I also don't I don't see as a viable political strategy at the present time Like the Christian nationalist projects say which I which I which I suspect is sort of the the angle that you're working on or at least something in that vein Is that like no? I'm sorry. No, go ahead. No, forget the word. I made I came to said religion. How about philosophy? I don't care about the religion there Philosophy lifestyle for us and then these other people I don't want to say drag them down in a derogative matter I just meant to drop drag and it's down in derogative matter I meant to say they're dragging us in to their lifestyle and I want to be out and where everybody We're not influenced by them all the time. So philosophy mr. Cantrell. Oh, okay, I knew philosophy and we move on I appreciate that I appreciate the nuance of what you're saying and just uh and and I'm not offended in any way It's actually can't well. It's it's not Cantrell. I appreciate it though. So so the so the idea you know I'm not sure that so we're not saying you're not you're not actually calling for you know a theocratic state or whatever But you're just talking about a a more traditional norm and you know and talking about separating our our existing Government along territorial ideological lines so that you know some people can live in this way and some people can live in that way Is that a fair assessment of what you're talking about? Sure, but it could just be in the community and you know you just have to enforce it with your own people like in the community You know, and I mean just like the other multicultural people do and just have it we go to our own place where we have our philosophy I don't know what religion. I've got really I mean I do go to church, but I mean you know what? It's all it's all inundated with this whole woke thing. I'm up in Canada and they got the trend the rainbow flags and everything It's not making a lot of sense to a lot of people in there Well, I think that you know, it's it seems I'll leave the church I'll leave the church. It's it's what why I'll leave and leave the church. It's fine Like we just need a philosophy about like natural lifestyle. That's what I think That's what I'm trying to tell you we just need to get to that to that because I don't know if the church it didn't it didn't hold up So whatever yeah, it's just people can see that moving one thing or the other, but they're still not living Like the you know family lifestyle would be under attack in every way from birth to death. So We just need our philosophy where we Encourage nothing Negative towards the other people that want to move away from that. Just encourage it for the people that want it And the others can just like be on the periphery, you know god love them too. Well, I Know not not really. Well, I think that I'm I'm having let me try to Reward what I'm saying here then. I'm trying to adjust to the Perspective that you're bringing some nuance to um I think that it is I don't think that you can actually Live side-by-side these two lifestyles actually can't share a system of government You're talking about you know within our communities. We should just do x, y and z I don't think that that's a realistic prospect. I think I think you need a territory governed by a certain standard And that that territory requires defensible borders, okay, that you actually need to have a military Defense of a way of life and that that way of life actually has to by definition be intolerant of other ways of life And and that's my conception of it now that's that poses some very difficult challenges for us because Because we are we are now in this You know pluralistic thing that's moving towards this monoculture by the by the by the By the degraded monoculture Destroying the old way of life right that they are actually hostile there bent on the destruction of all that is decent and holy in our view And that they will continue that project until they are forced to stop by power forces more powerful than them And so like it seems to be that There's not a there's not a peaceful coexistence yet in this. I don't think that's my personal Viewer Okay, mr. Cantwell Anything else you care to add No, but I see your perspective and I could go with that too because that's how it was when I was growing up here like as a kid in the 70s From Canada down through the states and when I literally we would just drive across Just like we were driving like into a drive and we'd drive over the border I said that experience not too long ago back in 2014, but uh, what I'm trying to say is like It was like seeming it was like a seamless Continuity of the greatest network of cities probably the world is ever seen with all of our you know modernity And uh, it's all going to to the to pot now as you can see and Yeah, so I thought we had that and somehow got infiltrated and it's being like The turnmites are eating away and it's like collapsing. Yeah, so I'd like to go back to what you said But I would also not want to harm anyone like once we had if that was a never established Like I would like to be I like to be kind to everybody, but it I mean maybe freeze that I like to be Respectful of everybody, but at the same time. I would never let people into destroy what I have I think that what you're saying makes a lot of sense and and it's and it's a and it's a it's a noble purpose that you have in mind And you know when I talk about part of the reason that I like these conversations that I've been having is because You know Among the things that I said to this guy and I think I said on the last recording as well was that like Look, I don't think that it's a realistic prospect for you to just go and say to a an exclusively homosexual man That he's not going to have sex anymore or that he's not going to have sex with men anymore that he's going to marry a woman I don't think that's a realistic prospect. Okay, but what we have now is the situation where that that lifestyle is actually being promoted And it's causing it to become more popular and that's not something that's not the same phenomenon as homosexuality is is one of the theories that I'm working on It's a completely different category of issue and so like you know The I think that we do need to be good to people, but we need to revise what we think of as being good to people because If we are not judgmental of destructive behaviors that cause people to be unhappy Well, as a matter of fact, we're not being nice to the people whose behaviors we tolerate in fact We're actually sending them You know if you if you just start telling heroin addicts and met them fetamine junkies That uh that their behavior is virtuous and then you start assigning pretty colors to it and give them a flag and tell them that they have a thing to be proud of As a matter of fact like what you're going to do is completely destroy the people who's destructive behavior You're encouraging and it's not so different with sex as a matter of fact And so like we need to revise the way we think about You know what what meet what being good to people means because we have a bunch of monsters telling us that the way that we're good to people is by not judging them And that's nonsense. That's completely anti-social Sure and I never said nothing judge them. I don't think you did. I appreciate your nuance there I know that you didn't say that I think that the people who are destroying us I think that they're saying that you know that that like we shouldn't judge people and I think that that's not realistic I think that you know that They're one of the things that people complain about with religious communities is that they're if they're making judgments about the behavior of others And as a matter of fact, it's not a thing to complain about with regard to religious communities as a matter of fact I don't think I think that's one of the benefits that we used to have as a consequence of religious communities and our and our and our drifting away from that is actually catastrophic that we're actually having a great deal of trouble as a consequence of Those judgments not being rendered and then the people who engage in the behaviors that were discouraged by social stigma are then going and They are engaging in behaviors that they would not engage in where it not for the lack of stigma The the behavior is desigmitized. They engage in the behavior They meet destructive and painful Consequences for that and they could have been saved a great deal of trouble if they were going to church every Sunday and the church was telling them to behave better And so like I that's sort of I don't know that I've answered your point directly But I mean that's kind of my conception of it and I think that we could we could afford whether it's through a church Community or whether it's some alternative. I don't know that there is an alternative frankly, but like you know whatever it is You know the they return to like yeah like we actually do judge our neighbors behavior And the reason that we do that is to keep our society intact so it's not taken over by people who will judge by different standards Yes, okay, thank you very much for an excellent call my friend Okay, I'll call back another time if you're on when are you usually on? 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Have a good night, pal Two one seven six eight eight one four three three like to be on the program and when you talk to less I have to so please do give us a call Call or your own surreal politics. What can I do for you tonight friend? Hi, Chris um I've been following you for a while um And I remember after Ceeville you had a conversation with Michael Males. Yeah And I feel like he gave you like one of the most fair interviews that you had after that And I think you were in prison when he wrote a book called the white pill Okay, so I am I have I have not seen the new book it probably did come out while I was in prison Is a man but I as you're saying it to me now as I'm saying I'm about to tell you that I'm unfamiliar with it and I'm like wait a second I think I heard about that and so go ahead with your what you were saying He did give me a great interview I thought that with the way Michael Males handled that You know for those who don't know Michael Males is a Jewish guy and he and I believe of Ukrainian ancestry as it is and he um And and he contacted me while I was out on bail in Virginia from the Charlottesville situation He actually got he actually had Dave Smith get a hold of me another Jewish guy a comedian And he's like hey, you know Michael Males was thinking about trying to reach out to you for this interview But you didn't know if you like not talk to him because you Jew am I your Jew Dave? I talked to you like yeah I'd love to talk to Michael Males and I've known Michael Males for years We were involved in libertarianism together We've actually like hung out we've gone to bars together And so it's like yeah, yeah absolutely get him get him on the line with me And he went when he ended up publishing in that book It boarded on a transcript of the interview he did not you know He just wanted to convey what it was that I had to say and he was very conscious of like he was very He wanted to avoid a situation where what he saw what he did was seen as Disreputable by his target audience and and by me he was very conscious of that and I think he handled it very well And and by the way the new right is the name of the book and it was a great read I couldn't put it down. I read the whole thing in a day Yeah, I agree with that but since then yeah He has since wrote a new book called the white pill and he goes on all these shows and he's basically saying you know There's no reason to be black pill like you need to be white pills about the future And I'm kind of calling it's kind of Like I'm his I I think he likes chaos in government which I don't know if I agree with that I can see I can see what you're saying here. I think now I haven't I haven't read this book I haven't read a I can't recall reading a summary of it I have like I said a vague recollection of but I I think I remember hearing about it So I don't know anything about the book I think that what you what you say about Michael Mowis liking chaos in government makes a lot of sense to me Based on what I know about Michael Mowis and about libertarians more generally That they don't think that the government should be acting more efficiently They think the government is basically incapable of organizing society And so if it does a poor job of governing then allowing it to basically you know spiral out of control and collapse is actually You know, it's it's it's It's sometimes seen by people of that mindset as a step in the right direction Yeah, the guy actually male is actually Donate to John's better men But I'm just kind of more calling for your thoughts. Are you white-pilled about the future? Are you black-pilled like I'm a father I have two kids. I have a seven-year-old son. I have a two-year-old son and I don't think they're gonna let that will come become president again I Don't know how I feel about the future and I feel like it my duty as a father. I Have to be white-pilled. I cannot To be doom and gloom about the future. I have to be Positive for my kids So I'm I'm I respect your opinion So I'm just calling to see where are you at the in the future? From now are you white-pilled or you black-pilled? Well, that depends upon the hour of the day friend if I'm entirely honest with you I really don't mean to be evasive of your question. I want to give you a more substantial answer, you know my my honest opinion of it is that I think that Here's what I know with 100% certainty the things that our enemies purport to want are impossible and they will fail Okay They will not accomplish what they purport their goals to be because their goals are actually impossible now I think that a lot of the people who are you know, purporting to have those goals actually have you know vastly different things in mind than what they purport to be pursuing but You know, they they can't pursue those things without people believing that their goals are noble right? So they say, you know, what I really want is for everyone to be happy and have what they need Right, well, they don't they don't actually believe that the people at the tipy top of this little scheme They're actually like no, we're we're waging a genocide a war against uh Our competitors and we want to make sure that they can never stand against us, right? That's that's what I believe is actually happening But they can't do that unless people believe they're pursuing noble things because it's only in cartoons We're like the bad guy says I'm the bad guy and we're at the bad guy layer Okay, that doesn't actually happen in real life There's no like there's never like the villain who is is his His goal is to pursue evil and he says so that only happens in in you know cartoons and fairy tales, okay? So the only way that they can do what they aim to do is by having people believe that they're trying to do good things And I think that there's a growing awareness and I think you know, not to keep on drawing back to it but In the conversations that I have had with Ben on Grindr like that's very evident right like they're seeing this themselves And they don't really know what to do about it politically most of the people I've talked to are not overly political But like there see you know, there's me and thing too that like they're saying okay Well, clearly what you're doing with the trans stuff is against my interest and it's and it demonstrates Very aptly that what you're doing is not what you purport to be trying to do you're not looking out for me You've got this tiny group of people and you're trying to create more of them And you're and you're acting against my interest in the course of that and you're starting to look nefarious, okay? And so you know you have you know black people black people see But a lot of black people have completely had it with the immigration nonsense as soon as they inform themselves of it They're like you're out of your mind you're screwing us over no right and so these are examples of pressures that are coming to bear on the current daughter that I don't think that the current order will stand Right, they can't they actually can't continue to do what they're doing forces are going to act upon the powers that be that That forced them to change their behavior now We can't predict what those changes will be and what we know about these people is that you know So long as they are permitted to do destructive things that that's what they'll generally tend to do Will you know power be handed over to people who are more responsible and more virtuous and and of a better disposition generally I don't think that there's a there's a very solid answer to that question and so you know I'm hopeful in the sense that What is going on is unsustainable and it will not continue indefinitely It will be acted upon by forces beyond their control What will happen after that as anybody's guess and so you know to remain To maintain any sort of hopefulness It like we have to be participants in that decision, you know And that's why I get mad at people who are like, you know, let's punch out of politics that you know that it let's just Let's go off into our radical ideological echo chamber and talk amongst ourselves and and you know Whoever wants to come join us let them you know I think that that's a very misguided idea because you know We have to be participants in what comes next and that requires us to do a bunch of unpleasant things and make compromises that Ideologues find uncomfortable and stuff like that and that's why I encourage people to do those things Because you know, we need to be part of the conversation when the conversation changes and you know what I've been doing Really is not conducive to that is is what I've come to the conclusion of and I'm trying to like tell other people like hey, you know Go and do this thing that you know, I'm cutting you know making completely impossible for myself And as a matter of fact that's not that's actually not conducive to my goals either. I'm coming to the conclusion and so you know I don't know it that's not a white pill black pill disposition, but it's sort of my nuanced take on the idea that you're discussing Yeah, I mean a lot of the like what made me get out of a libertarian thing is because it is so ideal like they're married to their ideology and it's It's like this is not the real world like It happened after I had kids. It's like dude like I have a future. I have to worry about I can't sit here and Go into the like I'm Murray Rothbard isn't gonna save the world, you know Yeah It's you know the the ideological thing with the libertarians You know, this is what turned me on to the alt-right and when I saw the alt-right doing the same thing I was like no I went through this already guys, you know that that you know the libertarians thought that through the sheer Devotion to their concepts that they would change the world and and they were met largely by the alt-right with the realization that that's not real Okay, they had this simultaneous this infiltration from the left who who tried to Jack the libertarian movement and turned it into you know, it turned it into a tool for promoting drug-induced homosexual anti-capitalism essentially and and those people acting upon the movement really turned off You know the same people who were within it and at the same time that that was happening were towards the late stages of this You know, you sort of had this this growing white nationalist movement called the alt-right sort of start to To gain a lot of traction We are you know As partially as a consequence of Donald Trump's candidacy for president and that caused a lot of them to drift over to that side of things Because they were like all right as a matter of fact my ideology is Completely incapable of defending itself against that threat right they're watching it happen And they're like my voluntary Society is being taken over by communists without a shot being fired matter fact and so I'm You'll fill it to this day This again, they'll still do it They'll still do it to this day. They'll advocate for open borders And then when you tell them that if you open like if you just you know that your libertarian Thing is not going to work if you allow ports of Third worlders to come into the country they know that but they're so married to their ideology Have to let that happen. I think that there's vanishingly few of them who do that and the ones who do it are those left wing Yeah, they adopt other left wing nonsense right yet. This is your center for a stateless society Left-market anarchist phenomenon at this point. It's not really like these are not people who are Rothbard fans. They probably call Rothbard a Transfold right it like this. Yeah, they do. Yeah, we saw this with like the students you know students for liberty and the ISFL conference and all these different things it was basically, you know this this these different Paul and not the exactly right so like they they started this they were attacking Tom Woods and Walter Block they came in and they attacked all of these you know prominent libertarians as racist sexes homophobes or whatever And that was a pretty interesting thing to watch because some of them were like oh no Let me go and you know start saying nice things about the gaze or something to try to like it to try to to try it You know you had the Jeffrey Tucker phenomenon teaming up with you know Kat the horizon wits and and this sort of thing And then on the other side you had the the Tom Woods Walter Block crowd the Mises Institute types who are like no You know, I'm not jumping on board with that. Maybe I'm not gonna go and start you know Talking about the nuances of the Hitler administration But I'm gonna say that you people are completely out of your minds that I'm having no part of it and and the and the hoppy and sort of you know You know private property society does not allow the you know the open immigration thing and that part was you know carried on very well and very aptly by You know a bunch of people who still to this day call themselves libertarians now I think those people are the minority of libertarians at that this point because A lot of people just stopped identifying as libertarians as a consequence of it because when you follow the hoppy and private property society thing You actually end up with something more closely resembling fascism you you basically have this You know, you have you have a government that doesn't tolerate all of the nonsense It's it's you you are assigning ownership rules in a different way than democracy does But you're you're you're ending up with a controlled society where there's an elite and they rule and the and the rules that they have are In the interests of you know a healthy productive population as opposed to this Race to the bottom that's being imposed upon us by hyperinclusive mass democracy and so You know, I think that you know the libertarian movement I think contributed a lot of good to the intellectual conversation and I hope that history Gives it its due But that is where it will get its due is in a history book not in a future Organization of civilization Yeah, I mean I would have never found hoppa if it weren't for Ron Paul You know the libertarian movement was I say a net positive for my For for my life But you got to move past it you know, but uh You mentioned Jeffrey Tucker on a side note have you been looking at what he's been Sanley Lee I About So revisions I I've been told I don't know if it was by you or another caller said that you know Jeffrey Tucker is sort of it wasn't me I'm this was first time I've ever called you so welcome to the show Wasn't me but so many called in not so long ago and told me that Jeffrey Tucker is basically you know Turned around on immigration and a number of other subjects and um, you know I'm not into I'm not familiar enough with all that he's said in the last couple of years to To try to estimate the the mode is behind that but it's my understanding that you know He came to grips with the realities of the world in which we live to a greater extent that he did when he was Writing nonsense with Kathy Ryzen wits about the feminism of Ludwig Von Mises, you know Yeah You know what I was there at one point too, so I but I just I'm not to influence I wasn't writing papers But uh So anyway, so You're You're optimistic about the future. I think that look The future is the future is by definition uncertain friend. That's why we call it the future, okay? You know and so no, but why you why you were to say it like I agree with what you're saying it like we're not gonna We can't really know but I mean we're ruled by psychopath who knows what they're gonna do we cannot be too optimistic about the future Our optimism about the future must be tempered against the need to struggle and fight if we believe that victory is inevitable Then we will lose and if we fight like we're losing then we have a chance How yeah, I absolutely agree with that. I also agree that there's no way they can actually pull off what they want to pull off Yeah, they can't they can't pull off what they want to pull off How much of what we value do they destroy in the process is the question that gets answered in the contest Yeah, that's what I'm worried about yeah, but you know I'm gonna keep on look I'm gonna vote for Donald Trump. I'm gonna vote I I live in a state that is Was purple. It's kind of turning blue now like and I like my community but If I have to move I can't move until my parents pass away, but when they do I probably get it. I'm gonna probably get out of here, but um You know, I still gotta stay optimistic Well, I hope you do friend, you know look I don't want you to get too optimistic because I don't want you to you know You have to fight like you're losing, okay? The guy who you know, I said a long time ago before I went to prison I there was an audio is a recording. I forget who they were talking to where I criticize fenn from TRS And he said to somebody he was arguing with in some kind of YouTube stream We are the winning team everybody wants to be with us because we're winning our victory is basically inevitable Okay, and I said well you want to lose go ahead have that mindset, you know Anybody who thinks that they don't have to fight for their future is going to lose the future, okay? So you know to the extent that we want to you know, I think that there's you can't lose hope for the future Because then it's like why fight why am I gonna exert the energy why don't I just Get a vasectomy and enjoy the decline. I'll just you know slang math and bang diverse tinder thoughts until our our genitals fall off, right? If that's if your view of the future is at all is lost then there's no reason not to descend into drugs and filth, right? But if you have Hope of the future and you realize that that hope is not certainly attained the only way that it's attained is through struggle Well, then you know, then I think that in that situation like that's actually the ideal position to be in right that's the ideal mindset that you hope for a better future and you realize that as soon as you stop fighting for it You lose That's the only way that the future can be brighter in my view I mean if you look at the most loser republicans that we have in congress They're all from the rightest states that we have That's probably yet Uh John soon John Corning like these are from the most reddest states that we have The best the best ones we have are from Like purple states It's a very good point or very good point So yes, you cannot get too optimistic and think that we have this like you You don't have that's right because we don't have that you know, yeah I mean if people are too comfortable you know if you're in a place where like oh well the Republican parties in control And then you feel like you could just sit back and let the party handle it then you end up with Lindsey Graham You're exactly correct, you know And so like that's that's a really really poignant observation I appreciate you make it on here because that's exactly what I'm talking about you know if if people You know, I don't want people to be white-pilled about the future screw it You know, I want them to hold out some hope that through constant vigilant prudent effort That the future can be better than it would be without that effort. That's the only that's the only white pill I want them to have and and the second that they are any more white-pilled than that You know the the people who are trying to destroy us will just walk all over us and so I think that that You know, it's it's not a it's not an upper down wider black pill, but it's it's still I think that's the way to look out at myself And I thank you very much for the call I am good man. Thank you man. Thank you. Talk in your Chris YouTube and I hope to hear from you again 2176881433 if you would like to be on the program and where you taught the lesson I have to so please to give us a call I'll share with the person on the line A funny thing here now the way that I screen calls here some of you might know is You are asked by a recorded voice to say you know what it is that you want to talk about and then it does like a speech to texting and then it Pops up on an interface that I have here and so the auto screen here says hot looking to talk about the cross dresser guy from grinder So you're telling me I guess that you think that that's pretty hot, huh? Yeah, you got me coming out man I think I think I'm correct. I think that it's what it's actually say you actually meant to say hey This is Pat looking to talk about this is that is that a good guess? Yes That's fun. I appreciate that So I wanted to say I think that the grinder series that you're doing is interesting and I think that there are a lot of potential like interesting Characters for lack of a better term that you're going to come into contact with and when you were telling the story about the the most recent person you were talking to you said you know He was married and then you you know So it's gay and then he went on the app and then he started getting into cross-dressing But he's got reservations about the cross-sex hormones and the transgender movement and all that kind of stuff I'm like listening to that I'm like yeah, that's interesting, but then I'm like Does this person not see the irony of like They're part of the problem with that though. I mean like and I don't know if you've had this experience talking you know I don't know how many people you talked to on there at this point but like do any of them understand that like You know, I'm in this this is what I what my natural inclination is to do But like I really feel like it's probably not the best thing and I'm really influencing things that are you know That I'm noticing are negative and I'm on part of this stream that's happening Because I mean like all these people really do contribute to you know what the project is Well, I appreciate the way that you put that and I'll and I'll and I'll word it differently, okay? So it's important for me in the course of having these conversations that I don't come across as accusatory Okay, but I bring up to him And you'll you'll get this uh, I'm trying to figure out how I can try to summarize it in response to what you're saying It's discussed at some length this concept of stigmatizing things, okay? He begins by saying that he's very sex positive and he thinks that Stigmatizing things has been sort of destructive but in the course of the conversation I confront him with that that essentially like as a matter of fact We actually require the stigma as a matter of the stigma is actually a positive thing That's a pro social behavior And we've been treating it as an anti social behavior and the thing that you're concerned about is actually the consequence of it And I'm not gonna say that he I'm not gonna I'm not gonna characterize his agreement with that statement today I'll let the listener hear what he has to say about it. We'll probably hear that Friday Um, and I'll let the listener make their own conclusions about it But it was discussed and I think that whatever his thoughts on it He gave honest consideration to to my point. I don't think that he had really considered it prior I don't think that he did and I think that Probably a lot of the people involved in this don't you know now in his case You know he's making a choice he described himself. He was married for over a decade. He produced two children Even since he started having sex with men. He's had relationships with women. So he is not compulsorily Attracted to exclusively same sex relationships. He has he has a choice And I think that that's an interesting conversation to have with some folks too because I mean You know the the cultural narrative that we're fed is that you know These people are just born this way or whatever it is They have no choice in the matter and you trying to scold them out of it It's like well as a matter of fact one of the things that I keep on bringing up with the the people on These things is there's a lot of people who identify as straight on grinder They're telling you that they are straight and they're having same-sex relationships anyway And that's an interesting you know thread to pull on in my view And I think that there are reasons why that's happening Not the least of which is the desigmatization of the behavior we're saying that this is On par it's equal with heterosexual behavior and people are responding to that incentive Combined with the increased difficulty of opposite sex relations. And so like These are all elements that are feeding into a a growth of this Phenomenon and if we start looking at the growth of the phenomenon as a as a problem to be solved Well, then you know then we're going to start thinking about how we address You know this in public culture and stuff and so you know, I don't think that I he did not He did not come to the table believing that he was Responsible with the thing he was concerned about I did not try to put that idea in his head But we talked about you know The behavior is being encouraged you're discouraged and what impact that has on the phenomenon Yeah, I mean, I just like I guess in this case it's like um Like the slippery slope picture is like so animated to me in this case where it's like he's he's literally Dressing up as a woman and then I have extractions man like men have sex with him But then he's like I don't want my kid to do cross sex hormones like it just seems and I'm not trying to be insulting to the God The themes absurd to make that point while you know like last night you were dressed up as a woman getting railed by a stranger in a hotel room like How do you think that you can be well? We need to pump the brakes on this thing, but what I'm doing is totally fine and like no one should be you know The opposite of sex positive towards what I do like it just I don't it seemed to so cognitively dissing it But I don't understand how he may he doesn't see that or how that's never occurred before I get that now I think This is not a direct response to what you're saying But I'll give a an analogy sort of parallel if you will which is that you know drug addicts understand that they are drug addicts and that being a drug addict is a bad thing And they don't want other people to be drug addicts necessarily some of them do some of them try to justify their behavior But others will say like yeah, no, I'm a drug addict. I'm doing the drug addict behavior The drug addict behavior is destructive nobody else should do this But I'm going to continue doing it anyway because of whatever circumstances prevail in my life right and I think that You know, I don't think that that's a particularly popular viewpoint about homosexual behavior It's certainly not the prevailing viewpoint or the people that I've spoken to on Grindr But I think it's a I think it's something that I think that I think it's an adoptable viewpoint right that to treat it like okay Well for whatever you know combination of reasons You know, I am you know in this lifestyle and I'm going to continue it But that does not mean that I think that we should have pride parades about it and everybody should be talking about how wonderful my Moderna t is right I think that that's a better way to try to to try to talk about it because Because I think that most of these people are terribly unlikely to reverse course for themselves Whether or not they want to You know whether or not they want to make their behavior more prevalent in others I think it's a is a thing that we can exercise more control over say Has any of the conversations you've had like kind of yielded that sort of mentality from the from the person you're talking to like where they're like yeah, I know this is like You know for life of a bit of time a kind you being like addicted But I definitely don't want it to be spread to anybody else or I mean is that not really something that's been broached yet It's not something that has featured prominently say okay, so like I would say probably not in the recent conversation I've had on grinder, but I've had a lot of you probably heard them that you know I've had gay guys call into the show and they like they'll say that this is an aberrant behavior right They understand that there's a lot of gay men who do in particular they get that I think that there's not that's not a that's not a prevalent viewpoint in the gay community say but They are aware of a lot of the things that go on within the community that are destructive and I think that the The prevailing tendency is not to pay a lot of attention to those things, okay? When I talked to this guy and other people I say you know look my observation of it is that these people are not very happy you know and so like What you know trying to talk about why that unhappiness is I've I've been very delicate with it so far say and You know, I want to like I said I want to make sure that I'm doing this in a way that the the interviews a positive experience for the interview subjects And I'm trying to figure out you know how far I can push in what way now I was a little bit less delicate with our female to male transgender friend on monday well ask monday but I think that um Excuse me Uh, I think that this is something that I want to try to communicate more clearly and get more feedback on in the future say Yeah, I definitely don't think that you know the people that Coexist within the gay community um or like a model with I think you're gonna run it to some people that are like Genuinely for whatever hormonal reason they're attracted to men and they want to be you know gaced off and they can't you know They don't have a great control in that urge or you know that that the woman that you spoke to that was calling herself a man I mean obviously that was more of like a mentally damaged like political persona that she was putting on I feel like So you're gonna get all different types of all different types of motivations I mean and that's also part of the interesting aspect of it is talking all the different types of people And planning those things out But I mean, you know, I'm just thinking about like the political utility of these people because like you're kind of asking You're trying to figure out a way to communicate to them like you have a problem and we don't want to perpetuate it And I mean, I think that it's maybe possible in some cases but in most cases probably not I mean like every Gay person I've ever talked to you like when they're not being watched or it's not in the middle of like an event or something They'll tell you like oh, yeah, we're just like sexual perverts You know like they understand that but like they don't really see the problem with it And I'd be interested I guess like moving forward to find out If people will talk more about what role porn played in that like how young they started watching porn and like what kind of things They were seeing and porn and if that had some kind of correlation to them being driven to like just being more perverse Because I feel like intuitively that that's got some you know big role Played in this part, but I don't know if anybody obviously don't study it And I don't know if anybody's ever looked at it before so I'd be interested if you probe that you know Yeah, I will and you know, I think that one of the conversations that one of the questions that I have asked in More of the offline conversations. You know, when did you know you were gay and in conversations where people have been very comfortable with me I asked them about being abused as children almost Almost all of the gay men I've talked to have been abused as children Okay, the guy who I talked to today express to me during the course of the call that he has no recollection of being abused as a child I don't know what what his quirks are I wouldn't be surprised to find out that pornography played a pretty big influence in his life say The most of the exclusively homosexual men that I've spoken to knew that they were gay very very young and And in the majority of those cases they They report being abused as children now I take more seriously today than I did six months ago the prospect that Maybe they were gay and targeted by pedophiles for that reason that they were actually identified as You're an easier target because you are homosexual now I don't I think that there's reasons to doubt that but I don't discount that as heavily as I used to Um, and I don't know the answer to the question like I think that I think that part of what's going on with homosexuality is that there are a diversity of causes for it Right, and so when people talk about are they are they born that way was it the environment is it abuse is it porn is it this It in in all of all of these cases. I believe that there's probably some you know I think that there has to be a genetic predisposition to it for any of the environmental factors to take hold say right And so like there's probably a genetic component and then there's an environmental component and this sort of thing and so You know, I'm not I don't know that I have a Of a very well developed theory, but I'm developing those theories Yeah, no, I completely agree. I'm sure that there is I I feel like it's probably like mostly hormonal and like different ways But sex develops when you're like entering puberty or whatever um is probably got something to do with it I mean there's probably studies out there from like you know I'm decades ago that maybe look at that and might be able to like help inform that I don't know the most on top of my head But um, I I mean like because I know there's some like zero killers that like almost uniformly they talk about I start watching porn when I was eight and you know, I was obsessed with it by the time I was 13 and So I feel like you know There's triggers when you're young and you're starting to develop and then you get like drawn into hypersexual illusion. Yes And it has like messed up impacts on the brain and I think that that's probably linked and a lot of those a lot of those Pillars tend to be homosexuals or have partaken in homosexuality So like those things are linked to and it's not like every single person that watches porn or even every kid that watches porn is going to turn into a Gaysero killer, but I mean there's something there that you know is negative It's a negative impact on everybody in the spectrum opens up for people to become gay Zero killers and you know whatever else, but um definitely a ton of stuff to explore very interesting content I'm looking forward to hear more about it as you go far with it Um, and thank you for taking my call Chris. Thank you very much for making a call. Thank you very much my friend for another great call Pat Uh, 217 68 81433 like to be on the program and I'm where you took the last I have to so please to give us a call Pull up this piece in semif war Well, you know what before I go to the piece in semif war just as long as we're talking about this subject There's a piece here Yahoo news coming from the telegraph feminist accused pro trans activists of intimidation on Scottish March Feminist protesting against the news Scottish hate crime law have hit out at abusive placards played displayed by pro trans activists Women marching in Eddenburg against Homs a use of legislation which critics including JK Rowling have warned could criminalize airing gender critical beliefs Criticize the pro trans protesters for harassment and intimidation pictures from the march show demonstrators draped in the trans pride flag holding abusive placards One sign read trans dogs bite turfs the term turfs is used by transgender campaigners to describe women who oppose the view that gender is unfixed and can change According to how people self-identified Another sign that lesbians are attracted to the male genitalia of transgender people I'm sorry another sign suggested that lesbians are attracted to the male genitalia of transgender people and another that they are attracted to transgender breasts Women's Scotland a campaign group told the telegraph quote it's pure harassment and intimidation They are deliberately going out to calls upset Women are trying to talk about their lives and being subject to torrents of sexist and homophobic abuse The march was organized by Kelly J. Keane a gender critical campaigner who has led a number of let women speak rallies around the world Many of those events have attracted counter protesters by pro trans demonstrators Miss Keane said her purpose was to test the law on the march to see how the police would handle gender critical chance in light of the new legislation Which took effect on April 1st And so I think we touched on this briefly during a recent broadcast that you know JK Rowling On the day that this law went into effect aired some Eared some views that are no longer accepted by political correctness, you know that you know there are Two types of people in this world men and women and that they I don't want to I'm not quoting JK Rowling here I don't have her tweets in front of me But you get the idea that she's like yeah go ahead go ahead prosecute me for this and the Scottish police will like yeah We're not going to go ahead do that now whether they're going to go ahead do that's other people or under what circumstances They're going to do it the law passed April 1st. It's only been in place for weeks. We don't know Uh, but we shall see and I mean you know you have this phenomenon of whether it's like you know lesbians and feminists getting out into the streets and saying hey no This is the step too far And I have uh Joe's worst nightmare. It is a piece of revolver news Joe's worst nightmare two famous black guys sit down together and trash his border invasion This is a headline over at revolver news and the people that he's talking about This is uh steven a Smith he's like a ESPN sports broadcaster Uh, I think he was working for CNN ESPN. I should say and Charles Barkley and so they're having this conversation And you see this is this is two minutes and 58 seconds long. I haven't actually listened to it yet. Let's play it Streets you see the streets in New York three weeks ago On TV they had these these these uh migrants first of all the border is a joke the border is a joke But they have these migrants they call them had just bust up the New York They got him on camera kicking and being like cops they beat up these two cops being up two cops Being up two police officers but they were on the subway station. They were out of jail in 24 hours And the next day actually actually it was the same day, Charles. Yeah, but the but two days later they call them Call them robbing macy's I like wow So they beat up cops how are you out of jail in 24 hours and they clearly two days later They're robbing macy's anybody whether you're a Democrat republican or dog or cat or puppy You know that's wrong period But it's won't culture but we won't culture and everything else that's been going on You've got folks on the left that have have endorsed a more lenient Legal system and obviously folks on the right going crazy about it and calling for law and order Who do you side with considering our Nicholas history what's going on today and who the candidates are in terms of Biden and Trump and all likelihood Running for office. What do you do Charles? Who do you vote for oh? First of all we need law and order steven eight and we gonna I agree we gonna I'm what you do we need law and order Hey trying to fix Inequalities Has nothing to do with letting people go in stores and rob people that has nothing to do that has nothing to do with diversity Or how long inequality's then random people just running all these stores still stuff and you know that because Innocent people They should always be protected But did we need law and order? Yeah, do we need to address diversity in inequality? 100% But to go out here and says oh like this but it's my personal favorite unless you still a thousand dollars We're not gonna press part Well, steve they I want that same damn deal I want to be about about the 53 million in prepaid credit cards for my right that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous Uh, I mean come on man and um black folks been in the streets of the city Those been in the streets homeless minorities have been in the streets homeless starving for years We never got you never got anything like that. I grew up well Like they just wait we gonna find 53 million dollars. I'm like damn we can do a lot with 53 million dollars I mean, but man, that's why I say this whole thing is broken And we need some adults to come and say hey listen I understand some things but yeah, we're not gonna let we just want to not go and let everybody run wild and do what the hell they want to do I mean because that's just not right I mean, it's just not right and it's just not fair And so you know this is Among those things that I've talked about before that you have this very fragile coalition of the Democrat party took Tucker Carlson Says this all the time that actually the only thing actually uniting them is they're like hate hatred of that what they see as the dominant group though the white heterosexual Christian heteronormative whatever, you know They have this coddling together of this like okay, we're the we're the other and we're all gonna get together and bring down the dominant culture And that worked out for some period of time and then what's happening is that as the dominant culture falls apart All of these people who comprised the coalition are realizing Well, as a matter of fact, that doesn't work out in my interest at all does it you're actually creating as a side It's more dangerous for me that that that pushes me aside for the next victim group that you identify and that you're willing to undermine my interests, you know You're you are all about the black community until it came time to throw them under the bus for illegal immigration You're all about the gaze until you got this transgender fat Well, you know I don't know what the answer to all of our political problems is I hope that that should be obvious after me doing this for a decade but like You know one thing I know for sure is that Allowing the Democrat coalition to collapse on itself is a positive thing for the future Okay, and like you know chasing chasing these elements back into that fold is not in our best interests. I don't think okay I think it's pretty funny. There was I got a real kick out of you know There's a bunch of people in the alt-right movement who thought it was real great to go cheer on Kanye West said they're like Oh, well, he's talking about the juice of you know Kanye West. We're gonna do all this you know Kanye meme or whatever But in any other context they're like oh no, you know, you're dealing with the other you're doing this thing You know you are allowing this This deviation from our standards and we absolutely will not tolerate that but I'll say what that Kanye guy he's all right Well, I'll tell you something right now, you know, whatever you're whatever your view of this source of our problems You know, there's you know, there's a people there's a group of people out there who you know, not without cause blame problems on Jewish people say Okay, fine There's a bigger impact happening as a consequence of things like we just saw here that that blacks are fed up with immigration and should not be told hey Go support immigration because because you're not going to be part of our groups of screw you You know, they when gays are like yeah, the transgender things people are out of their mind you shouldn't be like yeah cool You know, you're on their team shut up go back to your go back to your team Oh It's is you know, there's a fair critique. He was raised by um I Don't have it in front of me here so many as my effect I could probably pull it up real quick hang on a second This was in my tweet mentions as a matter of fact so I'm uh What am I on there? I forget I keep on forgetting my Twitter because it keeps on getting banned So I'm on Twitter as a god of talk radio now I was talk radio gods and I was talk radio day Both of those were banned now I'm god of talk radio that'll get banned so you know I'm not even telling you to follow me on Twitter because what's the point It's just another just another thing But somebody tweeted to me Something that was actually supposed to be skeptical of Nick Fuente So Nick Fuente says the problem with ideological white nationalism is that race is not a sufficient organizing principle There is this weirdy gallitarian sentiment I hear from true white nationalists that says something like we can resolve all differences between Gender's ideologies religions classes etc after we secure a white ethno state alt hype even argued that gays shouldn't be criticized Which seems to apply that until then the white nationalist political community is going to be a gay Jewish liberal feminist pluralistic race commune pass And the person who uh sent this to me. I'm nudising I thought you would appreciate this post by Fuente's perhaps your suspicion is warranted Now I do believe that my suspicious of suspicions of mr Fuente's are warranted indeed But for very different reasons than that because that's you know, that's not it's not entirely unreasonable observation of me But like What are you trying to do now? Because if what you're insisting on is an ideologically rigid white nationalist movement today As a matter of fact Whatever you think of white nationalism that is not a successful path for white nationalism Just not it's just not the case. It's actually not going to happen There's a dominant group called the Democrat party and there are a bunch of left-wing fanatics who are trying to destroy everything that you care about And they have a coalition of people who are When combined more powerful than you and Collapsing that Coalition is actually in your best interests and it's say and it's in your best interests And it's in the best interests of Donald Trump Republicans and it's in the best interests of Lindsey grammar Republicans to shatter that coalition And so there's no reason for you to be acting against your own interest to prevent that coalition from shattering And so I think that you know with the in the case of Fuente's I mean, you know this is visions around him or just too numerous to list and it's not something that I particularly care to do to get into all of them But I've aired them you know from time to time But that's not one of them. I think that his um, you know The question is What are you going to do with that information? So should that movement become you know should that should white nationalism go hang up on a door You know should the There's no central office for the Movement or whatever, but you know if white nationalist tank goes and puts a sign out on the doors is now welcoming gaze Jews feminists etc like okay, well that would be the end of the thing right to just be out the window who wouldn't exist anymore So obviously it can't do that But they can make strategic decisions in the interim and the and the fact of the matter is that they've chosen not to right They they've basically been like Okay, you know what we're gonna do we're gonna do it the libertarian's did we're going to believe in our ideas so hard That through the sheer force of our belief The future will be better And that's every bit as ridiculous as it sounds and they don't articulate it that way, but that's exactly what they're doing and it's not going to work 217681433 you like to be on the program and I'm where you talk to less I have to so please to give us a call so there's piece in semaphore Talks about George soros buying up Odyssey which is like it sounds like Odyssey not to be confused with the streaming platform that we're on it's a UD ACY and they're one of the largest radio companies around and George soros the open societies foundations been buying up a lot of He bought a large portion of this company and also Cumulus media which uh I'm gonna I'll read the whole thing I might be incorrect about this but they have something to do with iHart radio I think or iHart radio is its own thing, you know, he's buying up portions of these things And so you know iHart radio used to be clear channel communications It was big in the radio business we talked to Ian Freeman about this a great deal when we were talking about You know the history of free talk live which is by the way if you haven't heard the interview with Ian Freeman on through the politics You got to go back listen to that was one of the best things we ever recorded Because Ian knows the radio business and he's been it you know He understands the history of that subject and it was a really I really love that conversation Um But you know there's there's basically you have the you know in radio you have this phenomenon I like you having a lot of other businesses where you know all the radio stations are basically owned by the same handful of corporations And so a guy who wants to you know completely transform a society as a basically is a pretty clear roadmap on how to do that Go ahead buy those corporations get and get in control of them in whatever way you can And then change corporate policy in order to you know hammer home your message on people And you know one of the callers earlier tonight who is asking about you know are you whitepild or blackpild about the future I'll say one thing i'm whitepild about is that there's never going to be a successful left-wing talk radio Okay, it's never gonna be that thing Talk radio is a thinking man's medium okay, it's it's more so even than reading And it doesn't appeal to everybody there's a certain segment of the population that talk radio really appeals to and you're obviously part of that demographic I think maybe it's you know some of you are watching on the streaming platforms and perhaps less so But people who listen to talk radio in a lot of cases would actually find the visual element like distracting Okay, I've long said I've said many times that I was drag kicking and streaming kicking and screaming I should say into the streaming business the video streaming part He said even when I did I largely considered this a radio show with a studio camp The idea that I'm going to have this like immersive video experience that I'm gonna play the video for you I didn't used to do that. I would play a video The video would not come on your screen. You're just hearing the video and seeing me react to it That's how we used to do things here I was kind of drag kicking and screaming into okay, well get the video card. I'll do the thing yada yada Because talk radio is it's thoughts right when you know when we talk On here before about this idea of the internal monologue not or the internal dialogue depending on How many voices you having your head say I get into arguments with myself sometimes. It's a pretty vicious argument, but You know you have this I you know you know The internal monologue is your thoughts as words and I think of thoughts as words And when somebody started telling me that other people don't their words are not thoughts that I'm like well Then they're not thinking that's how I tended to react to that when I first heard it The people who listen to talk radio who find that medium very appealing. I believe I have I'm very confident They think in words, okay, and so when when you have this voice in your head I've talked many times about Mark edge or the co-host of free talk live who was in charge largely of the advertising sales he had this great He had a great advertisement for the advertising that he sat on free talk live Talk radio is the most intimate of mediums. I'm inside your head right now When you're listening to talk radio it's very much like thinking you know and to have And you're listening to someone else talk and you're processing that in the same way you process your own thoughts Completely different thing than watching television uh And that is not work with left wing stuff right you go try to have a talk radio show About how gender is a social construct and you can You know have a declaratory judgment that you're the opposite sex now Your mind won't process that as thoughts your mind understands that that's too preposterous to think right You you have to have that kind of imposed upon you your your mind won't register that Your mind won't take responsibility for that thought it has to be something that's rational And left wing talk radio is a failure for that reason If you're a listen NPR NPR is very well produced I mean I think NPR is impressive in a lot of ways. I listen to a lot of NPR while I was in prison Is the only way you get me to listen to it for the most part you know lock me in a cage and give me nothing else to do But listen to NPR I'm like all right, I just have to know if the nukes have gone off yet give me any news please You know and going through that for a little while you'll you'll get familiar with NPR And it's very well produced the people who do it are very good at what they do And they have a budget and they go out and they get the stories and they have access right people You know celebrities and and and important people and social scientists and people who work in the government they're very happy to hear from NPR Are they very happy to hear from me? No, I have to go out on grinder and be like Yeah, I can't tell you who I am talk to me on a recording I have to beg for money like yeah, please make sure that I don't lose money keeping the phones on tonight right LNPR subsidized by the taxpayer and then they do these fundraising drives on top of it Then they sell the tote bags and they do all these things and they and they you know they have you know What amount of tasteful advertising that they're like oh, you know today's segment of uh what's the What's one of the NPR show names Today's segment of this American life is brought to you by him and then they'll you know go and tell you about some transgender surgery place or whatever it is that they're propagatingizing you for to buy Which is different Rather decidedly from some of the commercials that you'll hear on you know conservative talk radius like oh my god relief factor is gonna completely change your life You know you'll hear jingles and all this stuff. You don't hear that on NPR But they sell advertisements they so they are advertising they're selling products they're soliciting donations and they're subsidized by the taxpayer and they're failing Even though they're very well-produced and have access Because talk radio is a thinking man's media and if you try to give thinking men utter nonsense They will reject it They don't listen to NPR Except as like a you know curiosity to find out what NPR say Uh, you know, there's other you know what you know, the what's the pop they're gonna mention it in this piece that I'm gonna read to you's um, you know, pod save America Okay, you know, I don't know exactly what the download numbers are on that but they're not Joe Rogan you know Yeah, there's left wing fanatics who are like I'm so you know ideologically devoted to my utter nonsense that like I require Reinforcement and so I'll listen to these things, but it's a completely different experience for them than then right wing talk radio Right wing talk radio is successful for the nature of the medium, okay? You know the people talk about um You know how how did the left end up in control the newspapers how did the left can end up in control the television stations And there's a diversity of reasons for that But they didn't you know, it wasn't like they just didn't try to do radio like they wanted the airweds and they failed to obtain control over them And they failed rightly because radio is a thinking man's media and the thinking man's media requires Uh, a ride of center persuasion in this Wacked out Left twisted world that we live in And so over at semifoy they're writing about George soros trying to change that fact and you can count on George soros wasting a lot of money now You know as I said to the caller You know the left is not going to accomplish their goals. We know that they're not going to read a arrive at a world of perfect equality They know that that's why they have you know trotsky ideas like perpetual revolution They're actually their goals are completely impossible the goals that they purport to be pursuing They're completely impossible question is are they going to destroy everything and George soros may well succeed in destroying the FCC regulated airweds we shall see But George soros will not make npr palatable To thinking men George soros thinks it's good business and perhaps good politics to be in your ears Over the last two years soros fund management the firm managed by the billionaire investor and now controlled by the open society foundations Become an increasingly key player in the oldest electronic mass media radio In February the company became the largest shareholder in audacity the bankrupt second largest radio company in the US with more than 230 US stations And a podcast arm that includes Katie Cadancell three and pineapple street studios in 2022 soros invested in undisclosed amount in crooked media the liberal podcast network behind the ultra popular Pods save America and a soros back firm played a crucial role in univision $60 million sale in 2022 of 18 Hispanic radio stations to a new firm run by veterans of democratic politics The deal which included conservative Cuban powerhouse broadcasters in Miami drew opposition from Republican members of congress The move into the troubled radio business could be the beginning of a bigger radio a bigger audio buying spray I should say Three people who have been involved in discussions with soros executive said The fund has also privately discussed acquiring other major radio companies such as the limping publicly traded cumulus media Regulations limiting ownership of radio stations put limits on such mergers The funds lead media investor Michael del Nyen met with a number of major figures in digital media and audio over over the last year Including the podcast company project brazen. It is also i'd several potential companies for acquisition including pushkin industries The podcast company from Malcolm Gladwell and Jason Weisberg I'm sorry Jacob Weisberg and lemonada the network best known for its interview show hosted by Julia Lewis dryfus Julia Louise dryfus People familiar with the conversation set another podcast industry insider told seme for that lemonada is in the midst of a formal process To find a buyer but that some potential suitors have balked at its high-asking president. I should probably mention It's not spelled out there you might recognize the name Malcolm Gladwell and if you don't sworth knowing He's largely he's not the guy who came up with the term But he's largely responsible for this perpetuation of this non-sensical idea people refer to his EQ as emotional intelligence So there's a is some kind of alternative to IQ And if you want to go and find out what those people are talking about you go read I don't have the title off top my head but Malcolm Gladwell doesn't come up with this idea But he's largely responsible for popularizing it with I believe two books Go ahead read the two Malcolm Gladwell books on the subject of emotional intelligence and then go compare them to Charles Murray's the Bill curve And you see who's the more serious intellectual of the two it's not a close contest The Soros funds unusual structure a legendary private firm owned by a vast and politically powerful nonprofit Creates a kind of investment in vendda it creates a kind of investment venn diagram Soros typically invests in media both to profit and to further what he sees as the democratic values of an open society One that is put him deeply at odds with the generation of figures on the right from hungaries victor orbond to tucker Carlson Still in private and public conversations Soros fund management has cast its strategy as purely financial It bought Odyssey out of chapter 11 bankruptcy with an eye to an investment win through careful management of the struggling companies debt the crook the investment in crook I'm sorry the investment in crooked. There's a company called crooked. I'm reading the crooked back Soros. I'm it's difficult to read um the investment in crooked back Soros's liberal agenda But it's also a bet on the future of audio through the growing podcast industry a spokesperson for Soros fund management declined to comment A spokesperson for crooked media directed semifor to a 2022 piece in variety about the investment Which noted that Soros fund management could fund the company's acquisition of complementary businesses push can also decline to comment There's a solid business case for Soros is pushing to audio while the radio industry declines and podcast advertising stalls out The audience for audio remains strong nearly a third of all media consumption is audio and the majority of in car listeners are still tuning into the radio Listeners tend to pay more attention to the ads and have more trust in the advertiser in audio than in other formats and I'll just Add to this is what I'm talking about right It's the most intimate of mediums like what the radio advertising is One of the most cost effective advertising methods that you can do It the reason that people trust it is because it's the it takes the It takes on the character of a thought in their own head as opposed to what you're watching on the television which you know is untrustworthy But Soros's media moves could have an impact on this year's elections where conservative back companies dominate local television and have subtle but notable influence over the tone of their content Soros is influence. I'm sorry Soros's ownership could also prove pivotal how for example with the fund reactive radio hosts on conservative stations such as philadelphia's 1210 WPHT Second guest valid electoral results come November A A spokesperson for Soros fund management did not respond to an inquiry posing that question a person familiar with the companies thinking told Semaphore that it is generally annoyed by coverage of the fun that cast its moves in a political light Noting in particular that the vast majority of audacity stations are dedicated to sports and music not news programming Whether idea lot ideology plays any role Soros is following a format that democratic communications officials have laid out for big money donors to help bolster their agenda as semaphore reported democratic digital and communication strategist met last year to discuss a report put together by Arcadia journey a longtime democratic operative and communicator that report argued that left wing donors could help change the conversation by challenging right wing dominance and local television and talk radio Which the report said goes unmatched on the left Soros funds and management Acquisition of audacity has already prompted fears among conservative media personalities whose shows are broadcasted on the company stations Dom Theodore the program director of Glenn Beck's radio program told semaphore that the while I heart and cumulus both carry more conservative talk news programs Odyssey carry some conservative and straight news programs and he hopes that quote new ownership would make maintain the integrity of those brands as to As not to do so would be a major business mistake In a healthy republic the media's the media is a check in balance against those in power But over the last few years we've seen media outlets parroting talking points Constructed by those in power and over consolidation of the media leading to censorship on an unprecedented scale by the elite He said this should concern every American The organization's philanthropic arm is also engaged in media efforts as are some of the other soros family uh Members semaphore wasted an afternoon chasing down a tip that one podcast company had held talks with soros Only to find that the group had actually discussed licensing podcast content to soros is nephew Jeffrey soros Who runs a small media company in Los Angeles Last year accelerate change and nonprofit group back by the open society foundations partnered with vox media to spin off now this as semaphore reported at the time leaders of the new now this privately told people involved With the ownership transition that it planned to lean further into progressive activism now I don't know if there was ever a time that now this did not lean into progressive activism the the only thing You know, I haven't been on Facebook at a long time, but that's what I recall from them um But they're gonna keep on doing that and you know, whether they destroy the airwaves in the process who knows But they are not going to turn talk radio into a left wing phenomenon You can't do it with the subsidy of the taxpayer and all the access that NPR has you can't do it with your tote bags and your fund right raising drives and your tasteful Advertising for untasteful services And you are not gonna do it with billions of dollars from George soros and if George soros wants to waste his money too and it well Then that's just fine with the humble correspondent, you know Because this is all thing and you are not coming anywhere near it Ladies and gentlemen, we do this every Monday from 9 30 PM to 11 30 PM We're not always until 11 30 PM We had some great calls tonight if you guys had calling more often We probably have a better show and I'm really grateful for those you do chime in and That's a great way for you to keep the show going another way is to why don't you go ahead pay me That's a great idea you can become a member. 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