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That's a fantastic And so I titled this today the telegram bust That seems to be the thing at the top of a radar today apparently the guy who runs telegram He got picked up in France And they're saying that telegrams, you know, it's a platform from which to commit crimes and whatnot, you know Which is to say it's a it's a thought crime platform You know if you go on telegram and you might be able to you know, you can't do it, you know telegrams You know if you use an apple phone telegrams tame right to you know the apple corporation decides who you're allowed to talk to you know And if you have an Android phone It's pretty much that way to except that you know, you have if you're genius, you know, if you're really really smart And you try really hard then the Google corporation will allow you to bypass the system by which they control who you're out to listen to and In either case if you are control if if the apple corporation or the I think what they call themselves alpha bet now because They're they have they're they're no longer hiding the fact that they're a government agency Google They decide that you can't talk to Christopher Kent well they don't want you to hear from me because you know Well because I'm too dirty to use dollars, right like they can they you can have a Pornographer who makes like incest form and they can go and they can make lots of money on the internet because the credit card company is like That's great whatever you have freedom of speech You could go and you could be a gangster rapper and you could talk about nothing but killing black people with firearms in the streets over crack And you can make millions of dollars doing that because the banking system thinks that's awesome Whatever it is that we're doing over here sometimes. I don't know myself They don't want that to like function at all. They they try really hard to stop that you know Put me in a maximum security federal prison in like a special unit of it That's there's only a hundred beds of that type in the entire federal prison system And that wasn't even like the most extreme thing they did like read Hoffman spent like 25 million dollars to sue me. I have nothing They lost by the way they still got millions of dollars, you know, whether or not to get a million dollars But you know, they were still awarded millions of dollars in damages even though they lost because that's our justice system in America That's a civil court system they call that civil you see that civilized In comparison to you know where they really fully want to take us, you know Like yeah, it's too civilized that we get to come and take millions of dollars from poor people that they don't have When we lose the case we need to get less civilized than that And so that's the direction that they're taking us in and that's why they got to get the telegram guy and the funny thing about it is You know, I want to have some is somebody gonna go after Internet explorer, okay, hey your web browser allows people to look at criminal stuff on the internet Are they gonna go after I don't know asus right you're gonna go after IBM Yeah, your computer was used to to hack another computer Western digital your hard drive was used to store child pornography Maybe we should go after Verizon or AT&T and be like your communications networks are being used to sell drugs To communicate about terrorism to do all of this nonsense and so since people communicate when they commit crimes We're gonna just ban communication altogether because there's no way that you people could ever Police your networks well enough to stop people from using the telephone to commit crimes Should we go after optimum online or Xfinity or any number of these things No, they're not going to do any of that and why Because that's not like the enclave of the people who are you know thought criminals, okay So they did with gab right gab Was like the only thing besides telegram, but people didn't really know about telegram in 2017, right? I was one of the for to the best of my knowledge I was like the first like alt-rider to go start a telegram group to the best of my knowledge Me and like the keen activists the libertarians were using telegram groups to communicate And so it's like yeah, that's perfect, you know if they get a ban is from all the social media like we can at least talk amongst ourselves We got this little chat room this app is great. I've been using it for months And back then they didn't even have like channels, okay? Like now you have public telegram channels. It's a one-way communication You just had groups back then So it's basically just a messaging a chat app back then And then the encryption of it is not even like you know, you know if you use signals signals end to end encrypted, okay Telegram has a feature called secret chats that you could have an end to end encrypted conversation But in the first place that's not like um, you know, I know what I have to do here. I'm gonna second This is probably going to disrupt your streams ladies and gentlemen, but it's gonna be worth doing Oh What was oh yeah, okay, let's fix that that was not part of the plan come on Go ahead come on Thank you for calling callin studios host and call screener line. Please enter your show or meeting number and press pound You Enter your Uh in that pin code is uh, what's that pin code? Let me go read it out on the air here and there it is. There we go Yeah, I know shut your stupid shut the hell out. Okay, anyway, so I had you know I started the computer up I usually use a VPN on here But I have to turn it off during broadcast and that seems to be I seem to have neglected that and that was interfering with the quality of your stream But that has been repaired I hope and I hope that you are all able to see and hear me once again Um, that seems to be the case as for the audio feeds check our video streams Check our video streams Come on Yeah, okay, that seems to be the case. All right fantastic. Okay, ladies and gentlemen Um, oh, this is not live is it Come on Do do do do okay good. We are live all right fantastic ladies and gentlemen. Sorry about that brief disconnection If you missed any of what I said I connected to I usually have this computer connected to a VPN It's wise that I disconnected before I do a live stream and so I just did that and sorry for the disconnection But you should be good to go Um, those rumble guys. Let's see here. Are we live on rubble? We are all right fantastic. All right. So either you're saying The when when the internet tried to end us in 2017 they were like yeah, there's not gonna be any more right wing and just an america Okay, ladies and gentlemen. We're not gonna have any more of that and by the way Sorry about the ladies of gentlemen. We don't mean to enforce the gender binary Okay, there's basically the word for word quote from every IT CEO in a country Say for a fellow by the name of Andrew Torba who was like yeah, well, you know what um Jesus doesn't want me to bow to your whims because you're evil and so we're just gonna keep on letting these guys say whatever they want And you know, there was some people folks like myself meant to test that theory, okay? Turns out yeah, there's always limits to what you can get away with saying And in my case it wasn't even like It was not that I had actually done anything to violate the rules again. What actually happened was the FBI sent them a subpoena And I suspect this happened with a lot of systems that I was using because I got kicked off a bunch of stuff Like I got kicked off a cryptocurrency exchanges and other networks and all these different things And they always were like scared to death to talk to me Like I got when I got kicked off of I I had uh into it as a payment processor the same company that makes quickbooks They have quick and payments or into it payments or something They were like yeah, you're you're kicked off and we don't have to explain ourselves because you know anti-discrimination laws are not gonna reach us say I'm like yeah, I'm pretty sure you're doing this because of my race. No, we're not. Okay. What are you doing it for? I can't tell you okay. Well, I guess you're committing racial discrimination Um, but what actually happened was they gave me a number to call and it was just like some guy's cell phone It wasn't like the office like I'm like what's your name? He's like trying to avoid telling me I'm like what are you talking about and this guy's like nervous you can hear him on the phone And when I got the damn discovery in my criminal case and I'm looking at all this stuff that they've got And I find out what it was that they were investigating me for which had nothing to do with what I was ultimately charged with I was never questioned for the crimes which I was being investigated for Never even questioned much less charged They made up a bunch of stuff. They're like reco hate crimes yada yada yada That's why we need to follow him all over the country taking pictures and reading his emails and getting all of his location and meditate of from Google They justified it with that lie and then they never ever Investigated much less charged those crimes It was just the only way that they could justify all of the nonsense they did for purely political reasons And then when that cost them millions of dollars or nothing came out of it They made up some other nonsense. They bribed and coerced some idiot who I got an argument with and we're like Yeah, would you like us to ruin your life or pay you in that case? You're gonna testify against mr. K. Well Unless I went to prison, but anyway Them's the brakes. I'm not complaining Just saying When they went after gab they used me to do it as a matter of fact and it was funny goot you know what Google did I had a post on gab. I forget what the text of it was, but it was like about Tucker Carlson, okay And when you searched for gab the first result was this like edgy gab post that I made about Tucker Carlson And And there's no way right like you you hear that and if you know anything about me you understand that like that's actually there's no Good reason that my post becomes the first search result when you serve for gab They were trying to draw attention to me. Thanks a lot for that by the way and to draw you know to make a rift on the right Okay, to be like yeah go create a fight between Christopher Cantwell and Tucker Carlson And Tucker Carlson's like what I've never heard of Christopher Cantwell. Yeah, you have your punk shut up, but anyway Uh So they went after gab and they were like they were like yeah, you're basically your terrorism and he's like I'm not doing any terrorism like the people talk here, okay? Like they have telephones. Okay, did you go after AT&T for any of the stuff? No You know they bury them in the search results. They screw with your search results you go look at my wiki pdf There's a picture of a fat guy there. I'm like, I'm not a fat guy. Why are you lying to your audience? Do you want to tell people what I look like or not? And so this this guy Let's go pull up the story here Pavlov what's his name? Durawhal or something what's his name? His name is Pavlov Durawhal Founder CEO of Telegram arrested at French airport on multiple charges Or maybe I should probably read this from a different source because I don't want to read it from the Jerusalem post Let's start with the uh, we'll start with the AP here Hmm The founder and CEO of the message service telegram was detained at a Paris airport on a arrest warrant alleging his platform has been used for money laundering drug trafficking and other offenses French media reported Sunday Pavlov Durawhal, a dual citizen of France and Russia was taken into custody at par- parilei Forget air airport on Saturday evening after landing in France from Azerbaijan According to broadcasters LCI and TF1 Investigators from the National Anti-Fraud Office attached to the French Customs Department notified Durawhal 39 that he was being placed in police custody The broadcaster said Durawhal's representatives could not immediately be reached for comment French prosecutors declined to comment on Durawhal's arrest when contacted by the Associated Press on Sunday Inline with regulations during an ongoing investigation Uh, the guys just been arrested. I hope that your investigation is concluded That's why you go take them into custody now. You're still figuring out if he committed the crime is at the case French media reported that the warrant for Durawhal was issued by France at the request of the special unit of the country's interior ministry in charge of investigating crimes against miners Those include online sexual exploitation such as this possession and distribution of child sexual abuse content and grooming for second sexual purposes Telegram was founded by Durawhal and his brother in the wake of the Russian government's crackdown on mass pro-democracy protest at rock Moscow at the end of 2011 and 2012 Of course when that was the case right the United States loves this guy right you're the man go ahead create chaos in Russia Can you help our our state department back to the Russian Federation because we hate that Putin guides Not like you know, yeah, whatever, you know, he's he's uh, we're not so much concerned about the violence You know because we love that Stalin character, you know, we're big Lenin fans But you know as soon as he started talking about whether or not you should cut your penis off You know now we're like hey wait a second. We're trying to teach these kids to cut the penis is off. What are you talking about? Should I say penis on the show probably not sorry? Sorry about that sorry for the pee The Demonstrations prompted Russian authorities to clamp down on the digital space adopting regulations that forced internet providers to block websites and cell phone operators to store call records and Messages that could be shared with security services in the increasingly Repressive environment telegram and its pro privacy rhetoric offered a convenient way for Russians to communicate and share news in 2018 Russian media watchdog roscow Mont roscow Nadsor Move to block telegram over its refusal to hand over encryption keys, but ultimately failed to fully restrict access to the app Telegram continued to be widely used including by government institutions the ban was dropped two years later in March of 2024 Roscoe Roscome Nadsor Roscome Nadsor Roscome Nadsor. I just say that a few times so that I can repeat it if it comes up again Roscome Nadsor I'm probably messing it up some way, but that's what they say here Roscome Nadsor said that telegram was working with the Russian government to a certain extent and had removed more than 256,000 posts with prohibited content at roscow Nadsor's request Telegram also continues to be a popular source of news in Ukraine where both media outlets and officials use it to share information on the war and deliver missile and air raid alerts In a statement posted on its platform telegram said it abides by EU laws including the Digital Services Act and its moderation is quote within industry standards and constantly improving Duraub said the cut Duraub the company added has nothing to hide and travels frequently in Europe It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform telegrams Almost a billion users globally used telegram as a means of communication and as a source of vital information We're awaiting a prompt resolution of this situation telegram is with you all A French judicial official suggested that Duraub could appear before a judge later sat Sunday to determine whether he will remain in custody The official wasn't authorized to be named publicly during an ongoing investigation And that means that he was doing this without authorization. He's a criminal get him If the person concerned is to be brought before a judge today It is only in the context of the possible extension of his police custody measure a decision that must be taken and notified by an investigating judge the official said Western governments have also been criticized telegram for a lack of content moderation on the platform on the messaging service Which experts say opens up the messaging platform for potential use in money laundering drug trafficking and allowing the sharing of content linked to sexual exploitation of miners If that's what it was used for we would it be having this conversation would we They're concerned about right wing politics they're like hey wait a second We're trying to chase these people off the internet and you're allowing them to keep on speaking to one another It's not good enough that they can't be seen on an iPhone. They have to not be able to talk to themselves Compared to other messaging platforms telegram is quote less secure and more lacks in terms of policy and detection of illegal contents and David A Stanford University researcher as investigated the use of online platforms for child exploitation at its internet Observatory in addition telegram quote appears basically unresponsive to law enforcement Thiel said adding that the messaging service WhatsApp submitted over 1.3 million cyber tip-line reports in 2023 and telegrams submit none See guys, you know, I love this whenever I hear that oh there was a bunch of WhatsApp messages were discovered in the course of the investigation I don't like guys, you know you guys are using a Oh Service it claims to be end to end encrypted and it's run by Facebook and So maybe you want to just think about those two things together and see if they clash you want to trust Mark Zuckerberg with your encryption Do you okay? Well, then don't be surprised when the posts become evidence okay? I'm sick of hearing about it Because it's obviously gonna happen Telegram for the most part is not end to end encrypted and They're just not going around looking for opportunities to report you to the government, you know They have the capacity to read your messages Unlike signal signal can't do that if they try Which is why you should all be using that app if you're not using signal you're like crazy You need signal you need proton mail you need those two things Does not even a sales pitch Well for proton mail it kind of is if you go to surrealpolite.com slash get pm Then you can sign up for um proton mail through my Affiliate link and then if you decide to pay for it you don't have to you could use it for free Uh, then you then I'll get a cut, but you don't have to worry about paying for it works pretty well for free You know, you know, it's it's great service and then your communications will be Well, I shouldn't say that your proton mail emails will be end to end encrypted because that depends on who you're communicating with But within pro within the proton mail system they will be And if you use signal then anybody you communicate with will be using signal and then they will definitely be and to end encrypted And so and signal also has Self-destructing messages and like it's a fully functional. You can send any you can send files You can do lots of things with it signals great. It's the best messaging app should all be using it It's much better than telegram, but when you communicate with somebody on telegram unless you're using the secret chats feature The telegram moderators can read your chats. They're not end to end encrypted your communication to telegram is encrypted And then telegram gets your your messages and then passes them on to the other party and they can read them That's not secure as a matter of fact Or write things with telegram is it encrypted messaging service and it has encryption features But your messages to your friend if they're not in a secret chat Telegram can read them they just choose not to And that's kind of the idea here. They're like hey wait a second you have the capacity to spy on your users So why are you turning over all of this evidence to the government? They're like the fact that we have the capacity to spy on our users doesn't mean that we do sir You know like why would I do it? Just gonna go read people's conversations get a life you a bunch of perverts But But there's child sexual exploitation going on there. Well, you know, you know, then go ahead and get them Okay, if you find people on our platform who are transporting you know, transmitting child pornography then go arrest them We don't want it. We're not trying to find out what people are doing in their conversations as a matter of fact Sort of like to good old days, you know Hey Verizon we hear that people are using your phones to discuss treason Why haven't you reported them to us yet Yeah, because we don't listen to the phone calls idiot. That's why Yeah, you're gonna have to start no problem just give us lots of money. Yeah, we can do that. Yeah, we print the stuff. It's easy Western governments have often criticized telegram for a lack of content moderating on the messaging service Which experts say opens up the messaging platform for potential use in money laundering drug trafficking and allowing the sharing of content linked to sexual exploitation of minor now This is like nuts money laundering Now there are financial services that are attached to telegram. I actually don't know a whole lot about them because most of them don't operate in the United States I tried to look into this to like use it as a payment processor and there was no way that I could do it for my site But you know those things exist what they're talking about is not that telegram is a money transmitter They're literally saying that people are discussing money laundering and private on telegram The messaging services being used in money laundering. Yes, the messaging services You're saying that they're communicating with if they were talking over a telephone would you go after Verizon? No Why because Verizon's helping us spy on you. That's why In 2022 Germany issued fines of 5.125 million euros of 5 million dollars against the operators of telegram for failing to comply with German law The federal office of justice said that telegram fz LLC hasn't established a lawful way for reporting illegal content or named an entity in Germany to receive official communication Both are required under German laws that regulate large online platforms Last year, Brazil temporarily suspended telegram over its failure to surrender data on neo-Nazi related activity to a police inquiry into school shootings in November You know that'll make me go full blown Alex Jones here, okay? Like oh you guys He had some school shootings and then you blame the Nazis and then you needed encryption keys from telegram did you We're breaking the conditioning Elon Musk the billionaire owner of social media site twitter They say x but we don't do that here because we're not obnoxious. We dead name twitter all the time on my shows um Elon Musk the billionaire owner of social media site x triple Stupid who's called himself a free speech absolutist in the past posted hashtag free pavilion in support of deraude during the arrest Russian government officials expressed outrage at deraude's arrest was some highlighting what they said was the west double standard on freedom of speech. Oh, you don't say Yeah, you loved it when telegram was being used to facilitate your riots to you us state department But as soon as it's like yeah, maybe it might impact the presidential election coming up There's all these telegram channels that you know they yeah We're banned from the app stores or whatever But people can if they try hard enough they could use a web browser to see them and we're just you know What are we gonna do get rid of web browser? How are we gonna look at our kitty porn? You know That's how the people who run this government think of things In 2018 a group of 26 you gonna be kidding me come on I just about had it with the thing. Okay, let's hope that that solves that Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay Sickeness thing clip and clip and clip and all right, that's much better Uh in 2018 a group of 26 NGOs including human rights watch amnesty international freedom house reporters without borders and the committee to protect Uh journalists and others condemned Russia the Russian courts decision to block telegram Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakarov Zakarovah said do you think this time they'll appeal to Paris and demand derov's release Zakarovah said in a post on her personal telegram account Officials at the Russian embassy in Paris had requested access to derov Zakarovah told Russian state news outlet RIA Novosti But she added that French authorities viewed derov's French citizenship as his primary one In a statement to the AP earlier this month telegram said that it actively compats from its use of its platform Quote moderators use a combination of proactive monitoring and user reports in order to remove content that breaches telegrams terms of service Each day millions of pieces of harmful content are removed the company said Yeah, because telegram sensors as users Uh, they just you know, they they do it in a way that's Not sufficiently communist, okay They do it in a way that will totally put me out of business They'll just deprive me of access to anyone who owns an iPhone and anyone who doesn't know how to manually install an app on their Android But you know, they'll allow me to keep on posting to the 200 or so people who Who have figured out how to use telegram without the use of the app store And that is just completely unacceptable. They're like look we can't allow him to have 200 people listening to what he says, okay We kicked him off iTunes we kicked him off of Spotify we kicked him off of Facebook We kicked him off of Twitter when now we got him off at a Google Play store and we know we got him off of the Apple App Store But when are you gonna you know, they what do you want you want to go send derov to put the boat in my head yourself like what's wrong with you people Don't answer that I don't think you are in any danger doing some Um, let's see here. Let's go take a call Just do this caller you're on the rad- oh you're on serial politics. What can I do for you? Uh try that again, buddy Come on what's going on yeah, there you go. Okay, go ahead Yeah, buddy, go ahead All right pal, sorry, I don't know what's wrong with your phone, but you know good luck Uh two one seven six eight eight one four three three if you know how to use a phone and I and the more you took the less I have to So please do give us a call um, let's try to go to another story then Let me just at least see if there's a there's a more recent headline about this Well, that's interesting. Oh pull that up for sure Uh Do we have any updates on the derov Come on, you know just What is this? derov Oh, yeah, you know, I don't need to listen to shut up Tucker Carlson That's the only thing you've got on rantingly kiss my ass. I'm so done, you know Sorry Now McCrone says that this is not political, but obviously it is I mean, you know A rest of telegram's derov inflames debate over online crime and free speech This is from the Washington Post so you know in advance that it's utter garbage, you know When the Washington Post is like yeah, let's talk about freedom of speech for a little while guys are like Yeah, no, it's like we're totally for freedom of speech as long as it involves pornography We're totally for freedom of speech as long as it involves actual physical violence against human beings, okay If you're just talking about you know, I choose scores if you're talking about genetics No, do you guys that's misinformation you understand you have no Right to distribute miss it miss dis and malinformation, okay We're gonna get the the the berry poppins lady in here and we're gonna tell them you know misinformation laundering is really quite atrocious Okay Can't be doing that on telegram, okay, because when you when you when you do the misinformation laundering, it's really quite atrocious French authorities said Monday that they had arrested telegram founder and CEO Pavol Derov during a in a probe of illegal child abuse activity on the messaging app Taking the most dramatic action to date and the global fight between officials and tech companies over the limits to harmful content Derov was being temporarily detained in connection with distributing child sex abuse material and drugs money laundering and working with organized crime according to a statement released by French prosecutor lore becure The accusations also include improper use of cryptography and failure to follow to allow authorize law enforcement interception flashpoints and the efforts by some governments to force companies to reveal private messages between users The prosecutor's statement said the probe is of an unnamed person allowing the possibility that Derov is not the ultimate target Derov's arrest reignites a fierce debate pitting free speech advocates including Twitter owner Elon Musk they said ex-owner, but we don't do that around here because we're not a bunch of cucks Against governmental efforts to police the role of social media messaging platforms and spreading illegal and false information Yeah illegal and false information. You see anything that diminishes the democrat's chance of winning the upcoming election Remember when it was false information that Joe Biden was going to see Nile Ha ha ha ha ha Remember though when they were called cheap fakes Ha ha ha ha You know those videos of Joe Biden You know stumbling around unable to find where he was going taking orders from the Easter Bunny and whatnot Those were called cheap fakes until you saw it happen live on a debate stage in front of millions of people The action against Derov a Russian born billionaire who lives in Dubai and was detained over the weekend at bourgeois airport outside Paris after arriving from I'm surprised John and his private jet also renews the debate over whether tech companies should be held liable for the content that flourishes on their platforms Derov is a dual citizen of the United Arab Emirates Emirates and France according to his company He's a dual citizen of the Russian Federation in France. I believe they said at the associated press but why of course would the Washington Post attempt to know that They're like we can't possibly mention that there's such a thing as citizenship in the Russian Federation No, there's only slaves subjects over there There is no citizenship in Russia only war and slavery The US law like that of France does not protect platforms from prosecution over knowingly permitting transmission of sex abuse deterrence materials A Daphne Keller of Stanford University's Cyber Policy Center Former Facebook anti-terror chief Brian Fisherman said on threads. That's right. They said it on threads ladies and gentlemen That means it's the real deal That the issue was not just insufficient moderation a criticism many platforms have faced Telegram he wrote has been the key hub for ISIS for a decade. It tolerates child sexual abuse material It's ignored reasonable law enforcement engagement for years. It's not like content moderation. It's a different approach entirely Yeah, he has a different approach than you so why don't you just go to hell, you know Why don't you just go ahead walk off the top of your building and tell me what the sidewalk tastes like okay Yeah, he has a completely different approach than you so why don't you go shove your approach You know up something that I wouldn't mention on this family friendly program Other saw slippery slope in the action against doorov arresting platform executives because of their alleged failures to sufficiently moderate content even content is disturbing and harmful as content that a harm's children Starts us down a dangerous road that threatens free expression and gives too much power to the government to suppress speech said Kate Ryan Director of the free expression project at the Washington Bay Center for Democracy and Technology Yeah, well if you're the Washington Bay Center for Democracy and Technology, let's just assume that you're the problem Okay, it's definitely not something you're not you're not pursuing freedom of speech for democracy and technology And if you are it's the worst marketing scheme I've ever heard in my life you're basically like we're arm of the Democrat party Okay, and so anybody who cares about freedom of speech is going to run like hell when they see us coming because we've named ourselves something so preposterous Why don't you just call yourselves the ministry of truth while you're at it, you know what I mean? Arresting we just said that um telegram did not respond monday to a request for comment from the Washington post because the Washington post is a rag left left Link paper that no serious person wants to talk to I've made the mistake of speaking to the Washington post I don't think I'll do it again On sunday it's set on Twitter they say axe, but we don't do that here On sunday it's set on telegram to I'm sorry it said on twitter telegram abides by eew laws including the digital service act Services act its moderation is within industry standards and constantly improving telegram CEO Pavaldorov has nothing to hide and travels frequently in europe Telegram is one of the most popular messaging apps globally with more than 950 million users Law enforcement agencies across across the globe have long focused on the app because it has become a tool of choice for child predators terrorist organizations narcotics traffickers and far right extremists That's the whole entire point of the article they finally set it out loud For communicating and organizing their activities the app allows for private group chats and messaging This feature cyber experts say creates an ideal environment for illegal activity. Oh, that's right Hey telegram. I understand that people are allowed to have private conversations on your platform. We're gonna have to do away with that okay Uh, I know that that's the theory behind the telephone, but we've been listening to their phone calls for decades All right, we need you to go ahead and make the the telegram more like the telephone okay, can you do it? For me, please Hello, mr. Mr. Daroff. I'm trying to listen to that phone calls. Can you get back to me? Hey, uh, don't make me call you again. All right, we're serious here I want to listen to these phone calls and if you don't get back to this is what they do and then they're like Oh, you're not gonna answer my calls. I'll arrest you at the airport Expert a feature cyber experts say creates an ideal environment for illegal activity. Oh, yeah Um, like discord, you know, because discord look you're gonna have a private conversation on discord But the employees are a bunch of criminals and they'll just give your stuff to outfits like unicorn riot And so it's really not that bad okay because because discord Gives you an encrypted connection to discord and allows you to communicate privately with people Uh, it's not that big of a deal because discord's full of criminals who leak your stuff onto the internet and therefore we don't really care about that that much You know National governments have barred the app or requested that it take down content for its role and inciting hateful activity There we go in spreading illegal content Brazil temporarily banned telegram in 2023 amid investigations into neo Nazi groups that allegedly used the app to conduct school attacks Did uh, did we ever find out what the conclusion that investigation was where where there are a bunch of neo Nazi shooting up schools in Brazil I think I you know, I was in prison when this happens. Maybe I missed something But I have this idea in my head that I would have heard something about it if neo Nazis were running around shooting up Brazilian schools Something tells me that this is a bunch of bs as a matter of fact But you never know. I mean, you know, there's probably Guys who pull cuts in in Brazil too. I don't know That same year India's ministry of electronics and information technology. Wow That that ministry of truth joke was a little there's a little pre uh premature. I guess Ministry of electronics and information technology It's the ministry of darkness actually requested that the site take down all child sexual abuse imagery and telegram was like yeah sure go ahead Tell us where it all is if that The European Union has started to and yeah, well, it's coming out of the president's office. Okay, what do you want me to do? Joe Biden sniffing little girl's hair should we get rid of that now that's what they want to do They want to get rid of the evidence for Joe Biden and Hunter. That's what it is They're like hey those images are floating around somebody's gonna get us all busted you better stop passing them The European Union has started to to enforce broader laws governing social networks and meeting out consequences for breaching them Russia's relationship with telegram has been fraught Duravel left the country 2014 after he was pressured to turn over information about users of his social networking company Vicon Tuckday Which he said Which he instead sold to Kremlin friendly investors Russia and its allies have made extensive use of telegram to spread views recruit spies and give directions to troops Ukraine has done so as well and they don't mind the whole Ukraine thing Hmm When the uh when the neo-nazis on telegram are Ukrainian neo-nazis they love those guys So like hey, can you get the up? Can you get lots of Americans to come over there and die with you fighting the Ruskies? Please do That's pretty funny Russian president Vladimir Putin was in Baku, Azerbaijan at the same time as Duravel But did not meet him Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said The presence of the two men in Azerbaijany capital led to speculation that Duravel had sought protection for Putin in France Where that France was seeking encryption codes for intelligence purposes Duravel's detention has been met by outcry among Russia's political elite Marga reached a simonian a Kremlin propagandist who serves as editor-in-chief of RT news channel called on Russian officials And those who use the telegram app for sensitive messages to immediately delete their messages Because Duravel has been detained in order to take the encryption keys she wrote in a post on telegram And that's why I use signal you see if the I don't even know who the guy who runs signal is But I'll tell you what I don't have to okay because I don't have to count on him for anything That's what end-to-end encryption is all about that's the standard and if you're not using end-to-end encryption You're not encrypted okay You have to learn that you don't have to learn what that means and you have to learn And you have to find you need to use to open source software Okay, if it's not open if it's not end-to-end encrypted open source. It's not secure Duravel's detention we just read that point Russian newspapers were flooded with stories about his arrest one The something that gives that I can't even try Uh Said his arrest threatens to become a blow to Russia French president of manual or McCrone said Monday that Duravel's arrest was part of an ongoing judicial investigation And that politics had played no partner. No You see ongoing judicial investigations have nothing to do with politics, which is why Donald Trump is a criminal Don't you understand? He's going to prison for committing crimes not for being president of the United States Not for embarrassing the Bush family not for destroying the Democrat party's narratives It's all because we are just such strict adherence to the law in the Democrat party No one no American citizen is above the law illegal immigrants. It's a whole different story Okay, we'll talk about that another time Experts said Duravel's telegram floated laws and child sex abuse and other issues in many jurisdictions I don't know, you know, you know, the problem that I have here is I'm having a little trouble believing it But I don't go looking for child porn, you know I don't know about these guys who do you know, maybe maybe they're like maybe what it is is that a bunch of guys in the FBI They keep on getting caught with kiddie point on their computers, you know And they're like, where'd you get the kiddie point? And you're like, I got it on a telegram. Oh, those telegram guys, we gotta go get them You get the idea I hope so anyway because I don't want to start talking a lot about kiddie point. This is a nice friendly program We're not going to do it Alex Stamos former director of the Stanford Internet Observatory said his team found that there that quote telegram is a key component of the ecosystem of individuals trading and selling child sexual abuse materials And is the only major platform to implicitly allow the shot the exchange of CSAM child sexual abuse material on private channels Many of which are not and to end encrypted Stamos is now chief information security officer at the cyber security company sent to no one Ladies and gentlemen Um I'm just going to tell you right now If there's a bunch of like child pornography being distributed on telegram and it's not end encrypted It's not because Pablo D'Arof is allowing you know, I mean, you know, if if that's actually going on You know, he's obviously not doing everything he can to stop it since he's capable of reading the messages But the people who are doing that Do not feel that they need to take it to tour you understand Because it's not a secure system telegram for that purpose They feel that they can get away with this not because telegram doesn't moderate the platform but because They're being allowed to commit to crimes you understand It's not you know, I'm not going to get into that A June report from the Stanford Internet Observatory found that telegram was the only major platform to prohibit illegal material in private chat I'm sorry only major platform not to Prohibit illegal material in private channels and chats telegram has also been observed by SIO is failing to perform even basic content enforcement on public channels With instances of known child sexual abuse material being detected and reported by our ingest systems the reports that oh So your bots that run around scraping other systems against their terms of service I understand Hmm Jean-Michel Bernigard Secretary of it Secretary general of offman a French police agency focused on preventing violence against minors said in a LinkedIn post Monday the derives Arrest was related to the apps inability to deal with offensive content against minors We understand guys you this is the way that they try to this is what they do okay You know, and this is this is in rules for radical solinsky says that I'm not gonna try to pull that quote up here But you know rules for radicals a very famous left wing book written by a guy by the name of solinsky While with a terrorist organization called the weather underground Or not him. It's parents or something Forget exactly his connection to it, but he's connected Solinsky wrote this book and I mean the first thing in the book is a dedication to Lucifer, okay He literally dedicated his book to Lucifer Because he got his own kingdom after all and That's how it all starts before he tells left wingers how to destroy the civilization in which they live In great detail um And among the things that he says it's like you have to Play on their values, okay we don't have Morals he this is basically his premise. We don't believe in their Moral system, okay, but we have to use their moral system against them So Democrats are openly the party of child abuse in America. They're literally Trying to turn kids gay and trans, okay, like they're they're unapologetically doing this They're putting pornography and kindergarten and stuff literally is what they're doing and then they're calling you a homophobic You're like hey, don't teach my kindergarteners suck cocks, okay? I shouldn't say that on the show. I'm sorry about the sea You're telling my kindergartner how to have gay sex, okay? So I don't want to hear from you about You're gonna come around and tell me that you're really concerned about child abuse material. No What you're concerned about is that right wingers are still out to you social media As long as they use a platform that's by a Russian citizen living in Dubai That's the problem Now they can't be heard on the Apple App Store. They can't be heard in the Google Play Store But if people are really smart and install the app manually on their phones or use a web browser They can be heard and that's totally unacceptable to us And so instead of admitting that we're gonna call you a child molester Because we're child molesters, okay? Because we're child predators and what we do is accuse you of the things that we do, right Whatever they are doing is what they accuse you of doing and that's exactly what's happening here The people who want to turn your kids trans are calling popl derov a child molester Telegram is one of a number of social media and messaging apps to face complaints about insufficient moderation or failure to act against Child sexual abuse content Fake news. Yeah fake news disinformation Hate speech and extremist groups and ideologies promoting violence see They they just at the Washington Post you got to give them that much the associated press barely mentioned this right the associated Press was like up. It's all about bad stuff. They're just doing illegal things They had to get the illegal stuff off the internet so like I who was giving you the illegal stuff we put them in jail And the average person reads that it's like oh illegal stuff guy goes to jail nothing to see here Go to the Washington Post and they'll go on they'll blather on about child sexual abuse and by the way here's some hormones for your kid, you know But then they come out and they say it, you know, they at least have the decency to turn around and be like yeah We don't want our political opponents having a voice on the internet So kudos to you Washington Post for having that much decency left More than the associated press conger Rights and monitoring groups have accused Facebook owner meta of contributing to real world violence against their rohinga community And Myanmar by failing to act against the spread of fake news and hate speech on its platforms Meanwhile you nes a UNESCO study in 2022 concluded that nearly half of Holocaust related content publicly shared on telegram contained denial or distortion a higher rate than Twitter TikTok or Facebook There's more Holocaust denial on telegram than there is on Facebook guys. That's shocking If you have more Holocaust denial on your platform than Facebook, well, you know You're gonna have to get put into a reeducation camp, okay, because that's our religion. Don't you understand? Okay, the Holocaust is right up there with the birth of Jesus and we are going to make you repeat the words over and over and over again Until you convincingly tell us that you believe in it too, okay? There is no Heresy allowed on copper wires or fiber optic cables anywhere on this planet You will tell us that six million Jews died at the hands of eight off Hitler because he was evil and woke up on the wrong side of the bed Or else Say it mr. Dorov. Yeah, do you think that so at some point he's going to invoke the words? He's gonna he's gonna have to say the word six million at some point in the next two weeks to get to make bail Musking others condemn the arrest as an attack on free speech with drastic implications Musk posted that the future could include being executed for liking a meme Chris Pavlovsky CEO of rumble video said France had threatened his online video platform and crossed a red line by taking action against Dorov reportedly for not censoring speech And so ladies and gentlemen You know, I'm not you know, you know anything about me. You know that I'm not the free speech guy I'm not running around saying hey people be able to say what they want. That's not what I do I'm like, you know what we ought to do we should go ahead and Lock up every lunatic talking about trans kids, okay? If you're talking about You know protect trans youth, okay? If you're talking about the rights of gangster rappers to run around telling people that it's great to run around shooting each other in the street I got an idea. How about we go lock up the the rap music executives who are turning our streets into war zones And making millions of dollars for doing it. You know why we'll do that. Well, I'll give you a hint Because the record label owners aren't black. That's why They're not gonna do that You can you can be you can be promoting Crack sales illegal guns rape prostitution. There's nothing that you can't do To destroy this country and make millions of dollars doing it If you for one second if you want to dedicate a 140 characters trying to do something good You will be destroyed Should that 140 characters post make it to the ears of enough or the eyes of enough people for it to matter You're got you're gonna be destroyed. They're gonna completely ruin you And so That's what happens And You know, I don't know what to I don't know what to uh, there's not a civil lining. I can tell you about folks. You know Is what has to happen all right Enough with the free speech stuff. Okay Our guys take power they start doing this to the other side. That's the only way that you can fight this conflict Oh, I got an idea. Let's go find everybody at the transgender law center And go put them all in prison. Okay Let's just say that it's prima facie evidence that teaching people about trans kids Is grooming for sexual abuse and everyone who does it goes to jail for 20 years in prison for 20 years Let's run around just go you know go in the head and put that in front of 12 registered voters anywhere in the United States of America And jury school can pick people and send them to prison for that, all right That's the only way to handle this Instead you know what we're gonna get Oh, well, I'm a staunch advocate of freedom of speech. No, you're not okay Elon Musk goes takes over Twitter calls it this ridiculous x thing I'm not there for two weeks. I'm banned again. All right, and then I go back on and they're like yeah, you're banned for bandivasion And Now you see me say nothing. Okay, I'm on telegram. I'm banned from the app stores. So it's like what am I gonna do? Is telegram a free speech platform? No, it's not I know because I've been suppressed on telegram. It's pretty straightforward Can I create a new channel every two weeks? Yeah, sure. Yeah, I could I'm sick and tired of it There's no such thing as a free speech platform And there shouldn't be because you know what I'm the last person to say That there should be Child sexual abuse material being distributed anywhere if you're running around passing around child pornography You know skip the trial. It's handle you with snipers, you know I Don't care if we just put a rocket into your house just get rid of it. Okay We don't need another free speech idiot to go in there and be like well I'm a free speech absolute is to except for these things shut your stupid idiot mouth and say something politically sensible Let's go start locking up reds for destroying the country If you're running around saying that kids should be you know You're gonna go start teaching kindergarteners about gay sex Let's just put you in jail, okay, because we know exactly what you're doing We're a hundred percent certain what you're doing so you're going to jail. It's not you know We allow we do not convict people unless you can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt If you're teaching kids about this stuff, there's no reasonable doubt about what you're doing. You're going to prison Okay If you teach communism and you don't say it's an evil menace that's murdered more people than National socialism ever aspired to that murdered more people that national socialism is falsely accused of murdering If you're not telling them that then you go to prison, okay, because you're trying to genocide the civilization. It's obvious There's no reasonable doubt about your intent. You're trying to get us all killed so you're going to prison, okay And these people are not brave you understand they do out all the things that they do they do From positions of power and comfort they're they're doing this from a privileged seat of course They're not brave. They're not you know They talk about themselves like you know, they're the defenders of something. No, you're the destroyers And the only reason you're brave enough to destroy is because you're protected by the system You and your Molotov cocktail are a Kamala Harris tweet away from getting free, okay So Get out of here you fake rebel go directly to jail do not pass go do not collect $200 whatever. It's stupid monopoly reference lame. Sorry We don't need another Elon Musk to say I'm a free speech absolutist Only to turn around and hand it off to some broad who's going to do exactly what Dorsi was doing We need to say no disinformation is saying that the 2020 election was above board, okay, that's the disinformation and anybody who spreads disinformation about Joe Biden Winning the 2020 election fair and square your band from the platform, okay, and you're going to jail as a matter of fact because you're attacking our democracy Anyone who says that all human beings are created equal goes directly to jail because that's obviously not true We observe that every single day If you're around saying that all inequality between individuals is a result of some nefarious activity by a white supremacist You're going to jail, okay? We're done. We're done playing these stupid games with you. You'll go to jail And then we don't have to worry about freedom of speech anymore because this people just be forced to tell the truth And I'll tell you what if people were telling the truth You know, I think that we won't get along, okay? Things might get uncomfortable from time to time They might get uncomfortable That's okay You know, it's not okay Communism You know, it's not okay Some kid Goes what watches a Video put on by his teacher in the classroom And then he goes home and says my I think I'm a I'm a I'm trans And Ma says hey, you know, I was watching this uh, this uh, you know daytime talk show about trans kids And I saw that the mother was getting a bunch of sympathy from the audience. So yeah, let's go ahead do that to you Let's go get you some hormones kid And then that kid goes he gets to like you know, maybe 16 17 years old bloated brains out with dad's gun And they blame dad's gun you see they they just go they'd be like dad. 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